Clarification

You do not have to worry about your mastodon.social (m.s) account being defederated.

There is a well meaning, but misleading post currently promoted that suggests you should move your m.s account because:

1) "Instance admins are considering defederating them"
2) "Their admin is making spam accounts easier to create."

Very few, if any, instances are considering blocking m.s, and the recent spam attacks are worthy of sober discussion, not hyperbole. [more]

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#moderation

@mastodonmigration If you read through #mastoadmin posts after the recent spam wave, some admins definitely blocked or silenced mastodon.social. Some temporary, some longer.

@daniel As discussed above, the issue here is not whether some instances temporarily blocked mastodon.social while the attack was going on. The implication was that people on mastodon.social were at risk for being "defederated" and that they should change instances to avoid this. This was a misleading because peoples accounts on mastodon.social are not at risk of being isolated.

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@mastodonmigration I just don't understand where this certainty of your statement comes from or what your intention is. "They will not...", "They're not at risk...".

There are definitely considerations by admins to defederate mastodon.social if it reaches a certain user share:
https://mstdn.social/@feditips/110260432218416976

And I'm pretty sure I've also seen statements by bigger instances with a couple thousand of users that back this decision (unfortunately the search isn't really good enough to find those posts atm).

The question is also whether the temporary blockings of mastodon.social will at some point become very many temporary blockings which are then actually more or less permanent. The moderation of mastodon.social
will definitely suffer as the number of users increases (even if you leave out spam accounts and attacks like yesterday). The other issues were mentioned in the post by @feditips .

If the users can do it and are confident enough, they should
definitely register on other instances. If only for the reason of load distribution and to keep the #Fediverse alive and a nice and friendly place.

Btw some of the other fediverse software uses captchas to prevent bot accounts.
FediTips has moved! (@[email protected])

I don't think people are realising the danger the Fediverse is in. The only thing stopping corporations and VCs taking over this place is that the Fediverse is spread out on many different servers, which makes it very difficult to purchase. If most of the Fediverse ends up on mastodon.social, which is now a strong possibility, there will be nothing to stop most of it being sold to Musk or Zuckerberg or whoever. The bigger mastodon.social becomes, the more likely a buyout is to happen. (1/4)

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@daniel @feditips Regarding the "not at risk" statement. People on mastodon.social are simply not at risk of being permanently fediblocked isolated from large parts of the Fediverse. They simply are not, and to suggest they are is a scare tactic.

@mastodonmigration @daniel

It's not a scare tactic.

Blocking mastodon.social is now seriously on the cards for many admins, even ones who would never have done it before.

The reason the Fediverse exists is to be decentralised. M.s is way too large now, and getting even larger due to the official app's terrible new onboarding.

If people want this place to be decentralised, they need to move off mastodon.social. If they don't care, then they can expect more fediblocks as m.s grows.

@feditips @mastodonmigration @daniel

Why a block? Why not limit or silence if one wants to take action? At least until there are moderator tools to help avoid these attacks?

Blocking sounds extreme to me.

Blocking might cause a large exit from the Fediverse if people feel they are being made pawns in some sort of internal uprising.

I'd be pissed if suddenly I lost all my connections to people I communicate with on mastodon.social. I'd think, "who the hell are these people to decide that I can't talk to my friends any longer or follow people who I like to follow."

I'd leave permanently. I would never trust another server Admin. I'd never come back.

Convince me that I'm wrong.

@Jerry @mastodonmigration @daniel

"I'd be pissed if suddenly I lost all my connections to people I communicate with on mastodon.social. "

It's not going to be painless, but it will be a lot easier than if m.s becomes a majority of the Fediverse.

If that happens, the Fedi itself could be bought and sold on the whim of the owner of m.s (which at the moment is Eugen but who knows who it will be in the future).

It's like global warming: the longer you wait, the harder it is to take action.

@feditips @Jerry @mastodonmigration @daniel its a shame theres no way to be able to put in your servers address into a search engine and see all the fediverse instances that have blocked you. I understand why that isnt possible though as someone pointed out, bad actors like hateful instance owners could use that info to target everyone who blocked their instance. not sure theres a solution to help those of us who want to check our instance isnt blocked and contact admins if it is by mistake.1/2

@guiltmanager @feditips @Jerry @mastodonmigration

its a shame theres no way to be able to put in your servers address into a search engine and see all the fediverse instances that have blocked you.There's a website that does this actually. And yes, it used to harass people which is why I'm not going to share the address.

If the website is correct, mastodon.social is currently moderated (muted or blocked) by about 279 instances across the fediverse.

@daniel @feditips @mastodonmigration @Jerry can understand why you wouldnt share it! however if you feel like sharing it privately feel free to dm me, although admittedly it would probably take you a while to research me enough to know my intentions aren't bad.