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Irving PopovetskyThe perfect confirmation dialog does not existโฆ
Tryst ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ท๓ ฌ๓ ณ๓ ฟ ๐ฎ๐ช 
@irvingpop tar xvf
Kay Ohtie ๐๐ต๐บ@tryst @irvingpop I never understood that comic. It's been straightforward o.o
`tar czf someapp.tgz -C /opt/someapp /opt/someapp/*`
Aaa
Maxwell (it/its)@maxissakitsune @tryst @irvingpop I mean yeah but the relevance and context for the joke is here: https://xkcd.com/1168/
Where like, someone who uses UNIX or Linux a heavily almost assuredly knows one. They're just that commonly used, even just extracting.
As my ex remembers it: xzf stands for "xtract ze files"
Ibly ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ 
@ceralor @maxissakitsune @tryst @irvingpop as someone who's switched to solely using linux for the past 2 years, i'm not defusing that bomb either
i could use the manual page for it, but graphical archive managers have existed for eons so i use that instead
@EeveeEuphoria @ceralor @maxissakitsune @tryst @irvingpop I live by using bsdtar because you don't have to specify the archive type and even after using nix likes for 5+ years I don't remember how to properly use tar because it's designed like shit
ark is just better if you have gui tho
ark is just better if you have gui tho
@Mia @ceralor @irvingpop @maxissakitsune @EeveeEuphoria I don't think you need to tell tar what the archive your is these days, either. tar xf works just as well as tar xzf. I could be wrong, tho.
@tryst @ceralor @irvingpop @maxissakitsune @EeveeEuphoria I don't use gnu systems so I could be wrong but most forms of tar can't detect what the archive is
z is for gzip and only gzip
J is for xz and only xz
j is for bzip2 and only bzip2
lzip, lzma, and lzop only have long options
z is for gzip and only gzip
J is for xz and only xz
j is for bzip2 and only bzip2
lzip, lzma, and lzop only have long options
@Mia @ceralor @irvingpop @maxissakitsune @EeveeEuphoria If you set a, tar will attempt to automatically identify the compression type. This is now the default behaviour, so if you feed it a compressed tarball without specifying the compression type, it will attempt to detect the compression type automatically.
@tryst @ceralor @irvingpop @maxissakitsune @EeveeEuphoria the fact that I didn't know a was an option proves my point about tar being a fucking bitch to use
Tony Yarusso@ceralor @maxissakitsune @EeveeEuphoria @irvingpop @tryst As an actual Linux admin by trade, the switches are the easy part, but heck if I can ever remember which behavior is which for including the trailing slash or not on a directory nameโฆ
@TonyYarusso @ceralor @maxissakitsune @irvingpop @tryst the only time i've ever used it is to make backups of my website, which i've only had to do like, a few times
and the next time i'm doing it it'll be automated in a bash script, meaning i'll probably type a tar command 1 more time
TerrorBite ๐ฆ@ceralor @maxissakitsune @tryst @irvingpop I just go tar xf and let GNU tar work out the compression. Then I don't have to worry about what flag to use for .tar.bz2 or .tar.xz
Chris@ceralor @maxissakitsune @tryst @irvingpop you donโt even need the z, tar autodetects gzipped archives
TA4KHR@M0KHR @maxissakitsune @ceralor @irvingpop Just cat bytes at a file system device and hope for the best
@tryst @maxissakitsune @ceralor @irvingpop
Real programmers used to use magnets against a disk to flip the bits but since they are all SSDs now, all we have left is to pray to gods of Static. Shamans are grabbing all the top jobs.
Real programmers used to use magnets against a disk to flip the bits but since they are all SSDs now, all we have left is to pray to gods of Static. Shamans are grabbing all the top jobs.
Sharkie@ceralor @tryst @irvingpop I never realized people found tar confusing. It's not obscure, it's just old. Sometimes thinking unix is more of an archeological pursuit than a technical one. vi is descended from ed, which also spawned sed. After ed came ex (oddly, there is no sed equivalent for ex.) So if you understand the conventions of ed, the rest logically follows.
Likewise, if you consider that "tar" is "tape archive" and descended from "ar" and uses similar syntax, it all makes sense.
@ceralor @tryst @irvingpop In other words, if you understand the various conventions, the rest logically follows. While conventions do change and adapt, it doesn't mean they're any more intuitive than the older ones. (though some are, of course) Gesture-based conventions are just as unintuitive to people unfamiliar with them as clicking and dragging, or 1970s unix syntax, or vi, or emacs, or DOS.
Ultimately, it's due to the strength of the convention that it's still useful, albeit to a subset.
@ceralor @tryst @irvingpop But ultimately, to understand unix, you need to "think" unix, and some of that is understanding the local or historical conventions. (Just like learning a spoken language well typically means also learning a culture.)
Jenn Dolari@irvingpop @spottyfox - If I remember right, it's :wq!, but I prefer Pico/Nano for being WAY less arcane. I don't think I've used Vim since my university days in the 90s.
tautology@dolari @irvingpop @spottyfox Controversial opinion: quitting vi/vim is more intuitive than quitting nano. People just think it's easier as two whole lines are wasted showing the options at the bottom of the screen.
Resuna@dolari @irvingpop @spottyfox I actually get angry every time I type "vipw" and find myself in nano or pico or some awful "easy" editor. If they aren't going to call vi it shouldn't be called vipw.
@irvingpop what software is this for?
@ceralor hex.tech
Gamma 
Jeremy Kahnthis is the "speak friend and enter" of the modern web
@trochee @CatherineFlick more like โspeak friend and exitโ, amirite?
Mrs Mouse at work@irvingpop Green-Yellow-Red leaves?
unixsh.it@irvingpop it's :x! not wq you two keyboard stroke fools....
Charlie StrossNah, it's <Esc>ZZ ... or maybe :wqa
Vim is gnarly (but not as gnarly as Microsoft Word, which is just baroque)
Jay Rishel
Paulie โ
@irvingpop My voice is my password verify me
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ConsoleWitch
Stacey Campbell@ConsoleWitch @irvingpop this one ๐
GreenSkyOverMe (Monika)@irvingpop Extended image description:
Enable Vim Mode:
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To confirm that you're familiar with Vim, enter the command to save your file and quit the editor below.
Enter command. (Text field.)
Cancel.
Enable Vim Mode.
Enable Vim Mode:
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To confirm that you're familiar with Vim, enter the command to save your file and quit the editor below.
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mhoye@irvingpop This is too good.
roninsysadm@irvingpop obsidian?
I had to do that for vim commands
Darryl Ramm@irvingpop EX$$ ๐คทโโ๏ธ
Shawn Kovalchick@irvingpop It's a trick! You can't exit vim!
Lightfighter@irvingpop "The" command? There are at least 2...
Rachael L@irvingpop @arclight I feel seen. But also kind of offended at the same time.
Kargas Dolunt
Jonathan Beverley
TobyLooks like Obsidian
Leah 
โ Fish Id Wardrobe@irvingpop Ah Obsidian, how I love you. Their Vim mode is pretty good, too. No dot, but there are Ex commands, even.
Richard Turner@fishidwardrobe @irvingpop No dot? Most of the power I get from vim is in writing repeatable commands and using dot a lot. No dot is a severe limitation.
@zygous @irvingpop It is. But Vim is damn complex and I don't think it's reasonable to expect all of it inside something else that's also quite complex.
I'm amazed that it's as complete as it is, TBH.
@fishidwardrobe @irvingpop Yeah, fair enough ๐
Matrix 
@irvingpop what a noob! He doesn't know how to use the shells
cohomology is FUN!@irvingpop I usually hate this kind of gatekeep-y stuff, but in this case, itโs absolutely justified. If you donโt know the vim keybindings, you really donโt want to activate that mode (the same way I wouldnโt want to accidentally set my keyboard to Dvorak).
Michael Gurski@irvingpop do they accept both :wq and ZZ?
Irving Popovetsky (@[email protected])
Attached: 1 image @[email protected] I had to go back and look to see if it accepted other options, and:
girl who fucks@irvingpop Obsidian?