There's a lot of misinformation circulating that obscures or softens Jack Dorsey's relationship to #Bluesky, Bluesky to Twitter, &/or Dorsey to Musk/Twitter.

On Dec 11, 2019, Dorsey announced on Twitter that he'd started Bluesky as part of Twitter, to serve Twitter, & funded by Twitter $, "to develop an open & decentralized standard for social media." (One already existed. Clearly the goal was one he controlled.)

"The goal is for Twitter to ultimately be a client of this [Bluesky] standard."

"The goal was to build a decentralized social network protocol that could eventually hook into Twitter — making it interoperable with other networks unrelated to the company...#Bluesky was set up as an independent entity producing nonproprietary open-source work — even as it was funded by Twitter"

Serving Musk's Twitter as a client remains a goal. Jack remains.

"[Q]:Dorsey is on your board and helped dream this all up....Has there been a change with his involvement in Bluesky?
Graber: Nope..."

"Bluesky was launched under Twitter co-founder Jack Dorsey’s leadership back in 2019, & its initial manager was Parag Agrawal, then Twitter’s CTO and later Dorsey’s replacement."

It took Jack 2 years to "hand select" someone he wanted to put in charge of Twitter's #Bluesky project. That was Jay Graber, a cryptocurrency developer.

"Bluesky was formally organized as a public benefit LLC led by software engineer Jay Graber in late 2021, and as of April, it had received $13 million from Twitter."

(For two years, Jay Graber gave no interviews to the public. Zero transparency. So much for Dorsey's "out in the open" promises.)

During that time, Dorsey privately (later, publicly) lobbied for Musk, "the singular solution I trust" to take over Twitter.

Dorsey helped fund Musk's takeover to the tune of $1 billion, making him one of Musk's top backers (after Qatar).

"Musk reportedly ended the company’s ties with #Bluesky [sometime after] he took over Twitter."

https://www.theverge.com/23686778/bluesky-ceo-jay-graber-interview-decentralized-social-media-twitter-mastodon

Bluesky’s CEO on competing with Twitter and Mastodon

Originally funded by Twitter, the decentralized social media service Bluesky is opening up to more users. CEO Jay Graber says Elon Musk banning links to Twitter competitors is “exactly why what we’re building is important.”

The Verge

But why decentralization?

Here's where Jack's longstanding "moral flexibility" towards anti-Semites & fascists comes in. He never watned to ban/moderate them.

"Dorsey imagined decentralization as a way to sidestep increasingly bitter content moderation debates among law- & policy-makers. Decentralized social networking protocols like ActivityPub (which powers Mastodon) already existed, and to the extent #Bluesky has a unique vision, it reflects ideas like Dorsey’s love of “algorithmic choice”

Dorsey will be happy with one arm of #Bluesky being used by his advisor Ali Alexander to plan the next armed Proud Boys/GOP attack on the Capitol building - and the other arm being used by you to fruitlessly bemoan SCOTUS corruption & the New Jim Crow voting restrictions, & what he & Musk undoubtedly delight, behind closed doors, in referring to as "woke nonsense." The $ & power asymmetry makes this work for the GOP.

No content moderation means no pesky Congressional hearings for him & Musk.

I have run out of spoons. I will try to clean up quotes etc. but probably won't be able to respond until tomorrow.

I'm tired of fighting the same battles against the same people only to have our allies resurrect the same villains. Aren't you tired?

Anyway, TL;DR

Yes, #Bluesky was a Twitter project & funded by Twitter, to serve Twitter as a client.

Yes, it's Jack Dorsey's project, yes he is still its funder/founder & Board Member.

Yes, he hand picked its CEO (a cryptocurrency dev).

Yes, it can still operate hand in glove with Twitter, & Dorsey & Musk are tied by bonds of $ & affinity.

No, Jack did not make sure Jay & the project operated with transparency out in the open.

Let's use strategic intelligence in advance, for once.

Here is the best coverage I have yet to see on #Bluesky, Dorsey, & Musk - by @davetroy, from October 2022 [thanks to @heliomass]. It identifies many of the issues that I have been talking about, and does a great job outlining many other concerns as well. https://davetroy.medium.com/no-elon-and-jack-are-not-competitors-theyre-collaborating-3e88cde5267d
No, Elon and Jack are not “competitors.” They’re collaborating.

Wherein I attempt to clarify a number of ridiculous and false narratives currently taking hold about Musk and Dorsey’s “rivalry.”

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@chargrille @davetroy @heliomass What an absolutely wonderful thread. I've always felt Bluesky was a sort of Microsoft type ploy (embrace, extend, extinguish) to the fediverse and decentralized rivals. But the connection to regulatin avoidance and skirting moderation responsibility is not a connection I made. Thanks for connecting the dots! So is it's looking like Twitter 2.0 (or X or whtaver it's called) going to use the AT protocol?

@mempko @davetroy @heliomass

Thanks for your kind words. That is my prediction. Recall that Jack still holds $1billion investment in Musk's Twitter. As I understand it that would be the smart business case because it would maximize "Bluesky Services"/Dorsey's user base and therefore access to & ability to monetize users, either by accessing & selling data, or by showing them ads. IDK if it would also expose BS user data to Musk?

MAJOR diff from ActivityPub, surely part of why it was rejected.

@mempko @davetroy @heliomass
These two threads by Patrick (@raccoon) attempt to address in technical terms what Dorsey is doing with Bluesky's AT Protocol, & I think they are quite helpful & important.

He sees a battle by Jack to become (again) the default microblog indexer. This seems connected to the points about control made by Platypush founder re Jack walking away b/c he couldn't get control over ActivityPub specs/fediverse.

https://progressives.social/@raccoon@home.social/110305641135636105

https://progressives.social/@raccoon@home.social/110300577267176634

Patrick, the Linux guy (@[email protected])

🧵 [4 / 7] detailing where a user's PDS (Personal Data Server) is hosted and how to cryptographically verify that the content inside really belongs to that user. When you dig through the source code, you'll find the DID resolver to be hardcoded(!) as "https;//plc.directory" in [3] . So, whoever controls that domain, also controls Bluesky. In other words, Bluesky is not decentralized, only distributed with a single point of failure, buried under several layers of marketing flimflam.

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@chargrille

Very good thread, thank you.
No matter where you look, there are too many of these synergies.
If you only see the surface, you don't see anything.
Personally, I find it scary sometimes to look below the surface....
Too often, far too often, abysses open up.
In general, however, we should all learn more about exactly these abysses and be aware of them.
So thank you again for your work.

@davetroy @heliomass

@chargrille To me this is the number one argument for Mastodon. And not some kind of modified Mastodon that introduces all the same mistakes of the post-2000s corporatized web that it specifically exists to avoid. But, literally, Mastodon as it is.
@chargrille thanks for helping me to get clearer on this

@chargrille And let's treat #BlueSky as the #HostileActor it is and #defederate it like it should be - among with all the other reactionary shitheads and garbage...

https://github.com/greyhat-academy/lists.d/blob/main/mastodon.domains.block.list.tsv

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@kkarhan
I don’t think Jack Dorsey has any intention of trying to federate with anyone using a protocol he doesn’t control, with the possible exception of Musk’s Twitter, in which he has $1 billion of his own money invested.
@chargrille Great thread. Thank you. I've been trying for some time to understand the connection between Dorsey and Musk, Twitter and BlueSky. Something has just not felt right and I couldn't put my finger on it. This certainly brings some clarification to my wonderings.
@chargrille this is spot on, 100% accurate.
@chargrille this is an incredible thread. I remember watching a video from Coldfusion about how Twitter the idea itself was stolen in the first place by Jack. He's always been like this, so I'm surprised people think Bluesky is meant to be the new Twitter.
https://youtu.be/p8N0xN0ihMA
Scandal and Betrayal: The Story of How Twitter Started

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@kevincutliffe

Very enlightening, thank you. I knew Dorsey had screwed Glass over but I had no idea it was such a very personal betrayal. That is really fucked up. In my experience, people who show their character to be this bad usually get worse unless they hold themselves accountable to the person they screwed over.

@kevincutliffe @chargrille Wasn’t Facebook stolen too? I remember a big lawsuit against Zuckerberg. Seems the people credited are all thieves instead of computer geniuses.
@AnnMorris @chargrille I mean, Microsoft Windows itself has been claimed to have been stolen code (from CP/M). The tech world has always been like this unfortunately
@chargrille I suspected since the beginning

@chargrille I'm tired of repeating the same arguments. I would like to build some kind flowchart / system as a shortcut.

I haven't found a good set of tools to do it with yet. It's a bit of a slippery problem.

@chargrille where does it say anywhere in this article or any other article that: "[s]erving Musk's Twitter as a client remains a goal."

I've read the article and others but nowhere does it mention that. All that is mentioned is Musk cut ties and that Musk bought Twitter reluctantly.
I know that being critical of this product is important, but all this is just speculation currently. Yes I am wary of Bluesky, though, I can't make what you said out of any of the information available.

As a matter of fact, Jack went out and said he doesn't think Elon is the right choice anymore as according to the linked image

@chargrille he must have taken the musk coloured pill ... Giggles

Hugz & xXx

@chargrille Friggin' Nazi hipster beard boi.
@chargrille thank you for sharing this. There are so many ppl signing up to that platform from the #twittermigration. Shame they’re swapping one for another. I’ve tried to spread the word!
@chargrille When is that last Q dated? I've heard contradictory things about Dorsey's current involvement, including the idea he's essentially moved on and is interested in nostr now.
@chargrille @JoBlakely re our recent convo, this thread might be a good resource for the people you were concerned are minimising Jack’s involvement.
@chargrille great analysis. Quite sure @atomicpoet will find this interesting.
@chargrille thanks for such an insightful thread.
You are right, ultimately these individuals want control otherwise they’d be jumping on the chance to build on ActivityPub.
It is so encouraging to see the communities growing organically here in the Fediverse.
@chargrille this is going to end with Musk scooping up everything

@chargrille

Follow the money.

Especially with people being funded to undermine democracy itself.

miriam heddy (@[email protected])

Attached: 1 image Believe Them. The very first time Lucy offered to hold the football in place for #CharlieBrown, she was worried that he’d accidentally kick HER. 72 yrs later, we think of Charlie as naive & foolish for trusting Lucy. We know that Lucy lies. But sure, in Silicon Valley, the Bluebird of Happiness is flying in Blue Skies, and all is well with the world. #BlueSky #JackDorsey #Punters and #Twats (#BlackTwitter remaining makes sense to me. But white progressives, what’re you doing???)

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@chargrille it's amazing to me that there is so much confusion and misinformation because I learned this in about 15 minutes of researching WTF Blue sky even was.

@chargrille

Wow, I forgot about that. Elon can code a little bit, only enough to get the idea across. Nothing like suckerbergnor Jack, though.

The engineers scale everything he does. So I can only make fun and think he's trying to write his own code, and they need time to fix it. 🤣🤣

@chargrille
so Elon is running Xitter into the ground to boost BsSky?
@chargrille all of that…is not going out stop a single person from using it. Maybe move on and focus on creating content here instead of worrying about what others do.
@StevenBarnhart
You are responding to a post written 8 months ago. Do you understand how boosts work?