grimmigesApr 5, 2023

#FightTheFog-Update to https://ecoevo.social/@grimmiges/110101595898174133

Interesting leap in faith: The same clique of authors putting out a preprint claiming all modern-day Fagales genera are younger than 25-20 Ma pop up in the author list of a study just submitted to a high-tier #phylogeny journal indulging in how only the Fagaceae bunch hybridised already in the Eocene (>40 Ma).

Using the fossil record again, but this time without any palaeobotanist in the author list.

PS #OldPosts
https://researchinpeace.blogspot.com/2022/07/just-single-easily-overlooked-tip.html

grimmiges (@[email protected])

A few thoughts for scientific publishing #AcademicChatter If you don't or cannot take responsibility for the content of a paper, don't pose as co-author. And if you pose as big-name senior author, please take a few minutes to read the #preprint *before* your inexperienced first author puts it online. Last and nichy: if you happen to be the paper's palaeobotanist and the inferred divergence ages are obviously too young, be bold and point it out to your neontol-coauthors in time.

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The story goes on, demasking how certain big names in the angiosperm phylogeny business conduct "their" research. The paper in the pipe rejecting everything shown in the preprint, is already referenced in a review paper on "ancient hybrization" published with the standard senior author pair in The Plant Journal.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/tpj.16142

A fine review.

If only the last two authors could have remembered it... (1/2)

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(2/2) PS The palaeobotanist involved in the preprint has by the way a very good reason, he couldn't avoid an obviously erroneous result going online.

He's "...more focused on other matters. Too many fossils, too little time and too few paleobotanists."—well, there are too few of them.

Being so rare, shouldn't they focus on sharing their insights, at least when acting as a coauthor?

Mine always did.

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Was delighted to see the figures in the other paper, they have in the pipes.

Really fascinating to put two #preprints next to each other going online shortly after each other, one (on Fagales in total) by the same batch of authors sitting as coauthors on the other (on Fagaceae), that disagree in nearly every aspect where they thematically overlap.

Will make perfect material for #NewPosts. On coauthorships and #Phylogenomics

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#Science #Publishing #FunFact: The individual H-indices of the four senior authors are, according to their #GoogleScholar profiles, 58 and 56 for the museum curators, 153 for the "distinguished professor" and 146 for his spouse (many shared papers). La creme-de-creme of the FMNH/UF
https://scholar.google.de/citations?view_op=view_org&hl=de&org=5315230152465104173&before_author=-rG4__VUAQAJ&astart=0

Saves a lot of time not having even to read the papers of one's juniors and first-authors.

Time you can spend on fun things. Just look at their happy faces.

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