Matt "trollboy" WisemanApr 26, 2023
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Just fyi. #openinformation
Dec 18, 2022 at 12:15amWeb
Show threadKing Naga Calyo Lucere-DelphiDec 18, 2022

@EposVox As an addendum to this: most authors are not only genuinely delighted to share their work with you if you request it, some are even moreso delighted to talk to you about it and answer questions!

Especially if they have additional knowledge or information worth sharing that they didn't include in the original paper!

Show threadCollin BeyerDec 18, 2022
@EposVox such an excellent point I could always email the author for the 📜🗞️
Show threadTiakuh SonDec 18, 2022
@EposVox don't most people use sci hub?
Show threadDr. Kai BlinDec 18, 2022
@tia6o @EposVox big publishers are busy playing whack-a-mole with scihub domains, so if you want any particular paper mailing the authors is always an option.
Show threadJason Bowen 🇺🇦Dec 23, 2022
@tia6o @EposVox Depends on the field. Math and physics will be arXiv
Show threadnewsorpigalApr 23, 2023

@tia6o
@EposVox

yes we do :)

Show threadClassic Gaming QuarterlyDec 18, 2022
@EposVox As the author or co-author of various scientific papers: don’t I know it. AND, you have to pay them a publishing fee if they accept your paper AND the scientists who review the papers (which I have also done) are also unpaid. Huge racket.
Show threadSleepyHeadBenshDec 22, 2022
@cgquarterly @EposVox but i don't really understand... If nobody Pays them... How do they get money for their living expenses?
Show threadClassic Gaming QuarterlyDec 22, 2022
@SleepyHeadBensh @EposVox Someone puts out a call for grant proposals. We submit one and are awarded the grant. That pays for us to do the research, which once completed is sent to the grant-awarding institution. We then write a paper in which we are the authors and the grant-awarders are credited. The paper is published by a journal who puts it behind a paywall so that they cam profit from it, while paying nothing to either us or the grant-provider.
Show threadMHRev 👹🤡Dec 18, 2022
@EposVox
I just learned something new. Thank you!
Show threadLisa SchiffDec 18, 2022
@EposVox All the more reason to look for diamond #openaccess journals to publish with, like most journals with library publishers. Check out https://doaj.org for those and more.
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Show threadJoaquimDec 18, 2022
@lschiff @EposVox Precisely this.
Show threadKarubiDec 18, 2022
@EposVox I've full on blocked news sites on my home network before because they insisted on making me pay to read it. Now they've lost the money AND the traffic as a result
Show threadHenryDec 18, 2022
@EposVox Or just pirate them!
Show threadsorry 🇵🇸☭Dec 18, 2022

@EposVox Wait, what even is the purpose of these journals in the age of the internet?

Are you seriously paying to have a PDF put on a website?

Show threadNatanael ⚠️Dec 23, 2022
@almaember @EposVox In theory you're paying for curation, their selection of the paper should be a quality signal. In practice, their business model is highly outdated and it can be done much more efficiently and cheaper
Show threadCyber YukiMay 15, 2023

@almaember @EposVox

In all honesty? Serve as intermediaries to maximize profits by exploiting the labor AND money of scientists. 🤑

It's a cartel, pure and simple.

Show threadtsadilasMay 16, 2023
@almaember @EposVox peer reviewing.
Show threadMax, overwintering bugMay 16, 2023
@almaember @EposVox they only bring prestigious places to have your paper published in.
All the rest is done free of charge by researchers, except for the editing sometimes.
If you get rid of some marketing and fancy websites, which we don't really need, all of this is done better by scientific societies for a fraction of the price.
Show threadLukas BrauschJun 2, 2023
@almaember @EposVox It's mostly about prestige. If you have your PDF put on a website by @Nature, you'll probably gain many citations. Peer review is another factor, but the quality varies greatly.
Show thread五月青州 Dec 18, 2022
@EposVox yes. Authors pay the publishers to get their papers published and readers pay the publishers to read
Show threadThomas von PlehweDec 18, 2022
@EposVox Great!
Show threadMonica Colangelo ☁️Dec 18, 2022
@EposVox @danielrbradley 😱😳
Show threadDavid Snopek (Snopek Games)Dec 18, 2022
@EposVox oh, wow! I really wish I had known this. I frequently have to search out "alternative sources" for papers. Just asking the author sounds better for everyone!
Show threadRiley S. FaelanDec 18, 2022
@EposVox: The relevant hashtag, once popularised on the bird site that's now pining for the fjords, is #ICanHazPDF.
Show threadAndreas, DJ3EI, he/himDec 18, 2022

A question was asked elsewhere:

> What's something that seems obvious within your profession, but the general public seems to misunderstand?

@EposVox re-tooted one interesting answer to this. Thanks! See this post's thread.

For my own answer:

New mathematics is being created all the time.

(I was a research Mathematician some time ago and loved it.)

Show threadv. Nathan Nook (vNaͣNooᴋⷦ)Dec 18, 2022
@EposVox *This* I genuinely did not know.
Show threadSlacky Nick Dec 20, 2022
@EposVox Not to mention that authors generally have to pay the publisher as well, while peer reviewers work as volunteers without getting paid.
Show threadLimbic NoodleDec 20, 2022
@EposVox It is upsetting that ResearchGate demands university affiliation, since that is the easiest way to email researchers with these requests.
Show threadHaelwenn /элвэн/ Dec 20, 2022
@EposVox Well there is https://arxiv.org/
arXiv.org e-Print archive

Show threadResident_EvilDec 20, 2022
@[email protected]​
Elbakyan is a schizoid sperg (who thinks that Stalin is literally god) but she does a great job maintaining sci-hub 
Show threadcirdan12Dec 22, 2022
@EposVox To be fair publishing is a lot of work, and includes copy editing and other things that do add value. I have family that works in publishing and some articles need tons of polish. They also pay for hosting for open access articles which any author can opt-in to (for an added fee sometimes)
Show threadMark LevisonDec 22, 2022
@EposVox and we do. Sometimes the authors never respond to emails. As a self employed, independent researcher it’s a challenge digging sometime.
Show threadNovaHellion 🏳️‍🌈🐝Dec 22, 2022
@EposVox I never even considered this. There are so many papers I never read because they were behind a paywall that was unaffordable for a school paper. But I always thought the authors were paid from those fees, not that all of it went to the publisher. Do they get compensated at all for publishing?
Show threadDr SoniaAug 21, 2023
@NovaHellion Not a single cent
Show threadAngryYukkuriDec 23, 2022
@EposVox Does this include curious laypeople who have nothing to offer in terms of exposure? I hit a lot of paywalls trying to read papers just out of curiosity :(
Show threadDr SoniaAug 21, 2023
@AngryYukkuri Without speaking for anyone else, I personally love it when laypeople want to read my articles
Show threadBrandon W. HawkDec 23, 2022
@EposVox I love to share my work & know others are interested in it!
Show threadJeremy_N1ZZZDec 23, 2022
@EposVox I'm no academic, but from what I read, academic publishing is a huge scam. From how they review them to access, to even getting published. All the money seems to flow to a single point.
Show threadEPD Total LandscapingDec 23, 2022
@EposVox also good networking
Show threadoceanDec 23, 2022
@EposVox have you heard of PRINCIPIA? It’s a decentralized academic publishing framework! I actually just wrote about it on my medium blog if you want to check it out: https://oceanexplains.medium.com/principia-a-novel-decentralized-academic-publishing-framework-196996e4f3d8
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Show threadJason Bowen 🇺🇦Dec 23, 2022
@EposVox Can confirm. I've done this a few times and have never been turned down.
Show threadAugust JacksonDec 23, 2022
@EposVox Love this! New standard operating procedure for me.
Show threadLittle Trans Punk (lol)Dec 23, 2022
@EposVox I've heard this information before, but how would you suggest wording that you want access to the paper? I know it doesn't need to be 100% professional, but a teensy guide would help for my times of deep research
Show threadLenTestaDec 23, 2022
@EposVox And you get to email cool people. So win/win.
Show threadcroquetoDec 23, 2022
@EposVox this needs to@be known
Show threadPeter Ritchie🌍🍁Dec 23, 2022
@EposVox Find them on https://www.researchgate.net/ and you can send a request directly to the author.
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Show threadRayGallonDec 23, 2022
@EposVox There is no greater scam in the world than academic publishing. These companies are certified bottom-feeders.
Show threadsys)~$Dec 23, 2022
@EposVox Or just publish your papers on Arxiv
Show threadAsiliDec 23, 2022
@EposVox my phd supervisor told me it was rude to email an author directly. Plus it shows that you work at a bad university because apparently it could not afford a subscription.
He is a psychology professor now. That guy was so dumb and socially awkward.
Had so many delightful email conversations based on asking for papers! It is a good advice!
Show threadpjɛʁ-səlim Dec 23, 2022
@EposVox when I was young researchers used to publish unedited draft on their website.
Show threadJanPVDec 26, 2022
@EposVox This was, of course, entirely standard practice until about 20 years ago, when something happened, and it almost fell out of use entirely. What happened? I'm not really sure, despite having worked in the sector.
Show threadTim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPEDec 26, 2022
@EposVox Who pays for the peer review process?
Show threadhalcy​ Apr 24, 2023

@TimWardCam @EposVox no one. It’s organized by senior researchers acting as volunteer editors (okay - sometimes they get like, a marginal amount of money from the publisher) / program committee members, and the reviews are also done by volunteers, usually the same people that author papers

who the publishers will in fact happily charge large amounts of money to publish “open access”, while still charging for subscriptions for mixed open access and not journals, all for hosting a pdf

Show threadhalcy​ Apr 24, 2023
@TimWardCam @EposVox (publishers do often claim that they do copy editing. i’ve never seem them do that except for, if they do produce a print version, putting ads in the print version because yes, of course they would do that, because why double dip when you can triple dip selling a thing made using labor you didn’t pay for)
Show threadKatLSDec 29, 2022
@EposVox 🙏thank you for this