Joel Jacobsen
Kashif Shah@JoelforWI and the DEM strategy is any different? #NoHumanRightsNoAmerica #radicalmoderate
#NotEveryConservativeChristianIsANazi
@JoelforWI flip sides of the same evil coin…
as it stands today, it is my opinion that the our “democracy” is on the verge of becoming a concrete duopoly of chimeral aristocracy+ochlocracy.
a better strategy:
#NoHumanRightsNoAmerica #UNUDHR #TeamFreedom
@KashifShah To compare the policy goals , and propaganda tools of Biden and Tim Scott in my view won't stop the fascists. The scare poster is absolutely true in how the GQP wins elections. Campaigning as "Mr. Nice Guy" is in many elections a recipe for losing. Can that be the eventual goal?, and is, yes. In the meantime whether national or local (if it's appropriate for that election), go negative early and often.
@JoelforWI neither Party has done their actual job about #UNUDHR - why haven’t either Party yet mandated the education of elementary-school age children about it? Why is it not yet mandated that all secondary-school age young adults be educated in the full scale and scope of their human rights and in the context of the history of the Greatest Generation and the War to End All Wars?
As Einstein asked of Freud: Why War?
@JoelforWI no comment?
@KashifShah "why haven’t either Party yet mandated the education of elementary-school age children about it?" Not true in the US. You want me to argue pie in the sky vs political reality while you pretend the Dems are the same as the GQP fascist cult. It's a silly conversation. Appropriate policy discussions are fine. You aren't going to convince the brainwashed. Gen Z appears to be fearful, good. They should be. We should all keep that going.
@JoelforWI > “Not true in the US.”
Can you point to some specific legislation that supports your statement?
> “Gen Z appears to be fearful, good. They should be. We should all keep that going.”
You, as a self-described Democrat, are making my point for me about the equivalency of Democratic and Republican strategies - both use fear to try to control the people, which is in direct conflict with the principles of the #UNUDHR and the basis for that fear is often contrary-to-fact
@KashifShah You're living in fairy land cupcake. Have fun, your nonsense about both parties is just that.
@JoelforWI Perhaps you are living in the past? That you haven’t yet supported your take on these opinions with facts is beginning to speak volumes.
@KashifShah "why haven’t either Party yet mandated the education of elementary-school age children about it?" What fact is this? Every Dem in every state battles for expanded public education, especially where threatened with "choice" funds. All Dems favor Head Start. My primary objection to your screeds are the "both parties are the same" screed. It's not demonization if one is shedding light on actual demons, fascists.
@JoelforWI The question was why have neither Democrats nor Republicans yet mandated the education of secondary-school age children about the UNUDHR, as is expected by internationally agreed-upon standards set 75 years ago.
It is demonizing when you equate the Republican Party with fascists or Q-Anon as a means to instill fear in the populace and steer people towards the Democratic Party. There are plenty of other examples of Democrats using fear-baiting, just like Republicans.
Author Sharon E. Cathcart ✅I hardly find it "demonizing" when the parallels are undeniable. But you do you.
@KashifShah @sharonecathcart "keep in mind", for what purpose? Not news, many Americans want their shiny objects and don't want to think about the hard stuff, like the very real threat of fascism. I take inspiration from Heather Cox Richardson, Michael Beschloss, Ken Burns, Tom Snyder, and Elizabeth Warren. Got a point besides wringing your hands that you believe I'm too blunt?
@JoelforWI @sharonecathcart > “"keep in mind", for what purpose?”
For the purposes of recognizing that the world doesn’t revolve around the far-left or the far-right. The implication being that fear-baiting does a great disservice to the majority of Americans.
The only way to defeat fascism is to strictly adhere to the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights
@JoelforWI @sharonecathcart > “Got a point besides wringing your hands that you believe I'm too blunt?”
I believe that I’ve made my points sufficiently clear.
You consistently cross the line from being blunt to being disrespectful and undignified while simultaneously consistently failing to support your opinions with lawful facts.
And so the time has come for me to indefinitely isolate you from my feed.
@JoelforWI @sharonecathcart see the following for an example of the agressive-left authoritarianism that you haven’t yet been willing to acknowledge the existence of:
Kashif Shah (@[email protected])
@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] > “So stop complaining, since you didn’t do anything to oppose” Phew, you, good sir, are crossing the line into not treating me with dignity How could you possibly speak to what I have and haven’t done, if you were not witness to it? And stop complaining?? Good sir, that is an inalienable right of every human - to complain about their government system in free society Your opinion seems rather authoritarian
@KashifShah @sharonecathcart I thought you ran away. You don't defeat Nazis by pretending they're rational and not lying all the time. You also don't have adult conversations by attributing others' words/actions to other posters. Not that I saw anything overly aggressive on what you referenced.
@JoelforWI Nah, just had to isolate you from my feed for a while, for my own mental health. As difficult as it may be for you to understand, your abrasiveness (anyone’s abrasiveness, for that matter) could be construed as aggression. I prefer to avoid even the appearance of aggression, as best as I can, while standing my ground on my values.
Correct, one only defeats fascism and authoritarianism with Human Rights.
Even irrational habitual liars are still due their dignity.
@JoelforWI @sharonecathcart > “not that I saw anything overly agressive”
Clearly “stop complaining” and “you didn’t do anything to oppose” are aggressive statements.
The first is a “shut up and know your place” argument from authority and the second is an “irrational lie” that could be construed as a “dog whistle” for the militant-left.
You shared this article with me once before, and it does *nothing* to refute my position that there are undeniable parallels between the modern-day GOP and the fascist movement.
As you said to Joel, I think it's time to permanently isolate you from my feed. I wish you well.
@sharonecathcart @KashifShah Kashif ran away. Here's my answer. ""The only way to defeat fascism is to strictly adhere to the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights."...great, I have no disagreement with any of those rights, to the GQP fascist cult, who hate the UN already, you are just barking at the moon. (and the "middle" won't pay any attention either).
@sharonecathcart @KashifShah Kashif kept yipping about facts. Not sure what he wanted me to refute, I did on the Dem public education policies. I guess "facts" are, he wanted to pretend I didn't reference any, or sling the accusation if he receives disagreement that the person "has no facts". Maybe he's just an rwinger in denial of his own party's behavior.
I received a similar response, telling me to read an article he'd already given me (for reasons known only to himself). I've stopped following him ... because telling me to "keep in mind" an entire article that a) tells me nothing I haven't already read out of courtesy if nothing else and b) does nothing to refute my point that the parallels between the GOP and the fascist movement are undeniable.
As the kids say, I got nothin' ...
@sharonecathcart To push back fascism in the 21st century we need peacekeepers and muckrakers. My personal inclinations are towards the latter. "Confronting this fascist counter-revolutionary movement necessitates creating a new language and the building of a mass social movement in order to construct empowering terrains of education, politics, justice, culture and power that challenge existing systems of white supremacy, white nationalism, manufactured ignorance and economic oppression." Giroux
@JoelforWI > “go negative early and often”
Are you willing to go on the record as a Democrat in WI stating that you believe in making negative attacks against your political opponents at every turn?
Willing to give you some level of patience, but that tactic is counter to the intentions of the #UNUDHR, my fellow human.
@KashifShah There is space for your narrative, as ineffectual as that is in the current political climate. ANY campaign, or PR initiative has to decide the level of negativity vs "what are you for, policy positions". You don't like like it tough shit. I'm not going to be held to your imaginary naive standard as to how political power needs to change in Wisconsin, the US, and the globe. Your message is fine, but it is not complete to actually facilitate change.
@JoelforWI The #UNUDHR is pretty complete, in my view, and United Nations has had 75 years of General Assembly following the one that proclaimed it.
Negativity must be bounded by the constraints of the very real and factual standard set in the Preamble and of the human right to dignity (Article 1…).
To do otherwise is on a path of isolation by #TeamFreedom and the inevitable rebellions, as a last resort, against tyranny and oppression.