In a conversation on reddit today someone asked if other languages have phrases like "rightie tightie, leftie loosie" to remember which way to turn screws/lids/etc. And one person answers that in Spanish, the phrase is:

"La derecha oprime, la izquierda libera."

or:

"The right oppresses, the left liberates."

(Now I kind of want to put this on a t shirt)

@sarahbecan

Honestly, "Rightie Tightie, Lefty Loosie" is terrible, because there is still ambiguity. Right from the top of the bolt, or the bottom of the bolt? From your face, or the bolt's face?

There is generally a better frame of reference: Clockwise (and Counter Clockwise), since it's defined already by a standard.

Thus is born, CCW = OFF, CW = ON (unless you have an infernal left-handed screw, but those are quite rare).

@atatassault @sarahbecan most people don't see the world from the perspective of the screw.
@Klaxun @atatassault @sarahbecan I disagree, most people are aware that they're getting screwed.
@atatassault @sarahbecan "Clocky Lock-y, Counter Out...er"?
@meulop @atatassault @sarahbecan I like this as a slight dislexic which always struggle to know what is the right and what is the left
@atatassault @sarahbecan I used to encounter left handed screws a lot and we had a running joke of "lefty-tighty, righty-loosey" lol
@atatassault @sarahbecan that's how I've always understood it.
You put your right hand on the screw, this means your thumb is pointing the same way as the screw point. Fingers curled round the screw tells you which way to tighten. Righty tighty. Clockwise, as you say.
Left hand is opposite, thumb down to point. Curl fingers. Lefty loosey. Widdershins.
@atatassault @sarahbecan Totally get this. What do right and left have to do with it? I'm not going sideways, I'm trying to make this thing move up or down by rotating it!
@atatassault @sarahbecan and here we get into pet peeves like... why do water taps adher to this (I know, it's the mechanics of a screw) but volume controls and stove heat controls are the opposite? Why aren't all "turn controls" the same?
@atatassault @sarahbecan
Saying CW and CCW is really no different than saying right and left. The same perspective issue exists for both.

@leadore CW/CCW has one perspective issue (looking from the cap end, or the tip end/hole), whereas left/right has *two*: that one, plus whether you're looking at the lateral movement at the top or the bottom of the circle of motion.

I often get confused about the latter, but never the former, since I am almost always manipulating the screw from cap end, even if I'm looking at it from another angle.

@eishiya
I also thought left and right was the direction my hand was supposed to rotate. 🫣
@leadore

@Dorythefish When the thumb moves towards the right, the pinky moves towards the left and vice versa - one has to know which part of the circle is being described by "left"/"right" - it's usually the top.

Thinking about rotation relative to a point *outside* the axis is not intuitive for everyone, hence the preference of some for CW/CCW, or the need for a mnemonic that specifies which part is left/right.

@eishiya
Thank you for explaining. I have trouble remembering never considered what movement my *fingers* were doing. Never realized there were so many different perspectives to it! Again: thanks for explaining, I learned something πŸ™‚

@leadore @sarahbecan

Right or left from what frame of reference? Since that nmeumonic doesnt establish an FoR, you cant tell. But CCW and CW have implicit frames of reference since they're literally defined by how analog clocks work.

@atatassault @sarahbecan That's always bugged me as well, but I recently learned a much better CW/CCW version: Time's getting tight!

You can also think in terms of the right hand rule, if you're familiar with vectors. Point your right thumb in the direction you want the fastener to go, rotate it in the direction your fingers curl.

@atatassault @sarahbecan I've heard "Clockwise to Close", but the reverse doesn't work...
@atatassault @sarahbecan for left threaded screws you just have to use a reverse clock.
@atatassault @sarahbecan
And the reverse in the Southern hemisphere.

@atatassault

And the engineers have been heard from [Grin]

@atatassault

Isn't clockwise and counter-clockwise also dependent on what direction you're facing? If you looked at a clear clock from the back, the hands would be spinning counter clockwise, right?

@kwsapphire @atatassault Clockwise describes the direction of rotation of the minute and hour hands across the face. That doesn't change based on your viewing position.

Weird that some folks are wanting to argue this, when written mechanical shop guides use CW / CCW, because it defines the direction force will be applied to an object. The assumption that you aren't going to fix the head of a bolt and rotate the workpiece around it is generally a safe one.

@kwsapphire @atatassault I'm left-handed and have NEVER understood what the hell lefty loosey is even supposed to mean? Left and right are linear directions. ROTATION ain't linear. It's like a mnemonic to convert centigrade to fahrenheit using acreage.