I don’t want self driving cars. I want public transportation so solid that you don’t even need to hop in a car unless it’s a taxi situation. I want infrastructure.
@ErickaSimone writing this while waiting for a train. True self-driving cars — which don’t exist yet— can be a “last mile” solution for people with mobility difficulties, in rural areas, etc. But as part of transit, not instead of.
@kewms definitely an option to be used for those with limited mobility. But not EVERYBODY.
I'm with you. The best argument I've heard recently against electric cars is that they're still cars.
@bill right. Less carbon footprint, SAME TRAFFIC ON THE 405. 🤣
@ErickaSimone Same!!! We have no public transportation here at all!! Not even bus service anymore.
@johnettesnuggs Im in Los Angeles, where it was always a struggle. No excuses as a major city at this point.
@ErickaSimone I'd like to see the Futurama air-transport tubes.
@the_Effekt I was so ready for air tubes in the 80s. 🤣
@ErickaSimone Self driving cars is a taxi situation. It does nothing to reduce the drawbacks of manned taxis (one could make an argument it makes it worse)
@loke true. I wish we lived in a society built in a way the concept of taxis would be unnecessary.
@ErickaSimone can't stress this enough.
mobility discussions should first and foremost tackle urban infrastructure.
human kind must rethink cities from the ground up, electrification of the fleet should be a by-product
@rubyfruit bring back the 15 minute city. Cities that aren’t ruled by segregation and redlining. Walkable cities. Or at least functional train cities.
@ErickaSimone I used to want this until people stopped wearing masks to protect each other. I’ll want it again if that changes.
@nerkles okay so this one is major too. But then I think about cities I’ve done like Osaka and Tokyo, where the culture already defaults to masked situations, especially in trains, during rush hour. I wish we were socially built like that as well.
@ErickaSimone I so agree. The key to more efficient transport with lower carbon is not self driving cars, not even electric cars. It is superb public transport. That means buses and trains that are frequent, cheap (preferably free), and easily tracked by a mobile phone or similar so you know when it is arriving. It means safe, comfortable stations to wait in. It means vehicles that are accessible to disabled folk. We'll still need cars for rural etc, but far fewer.
@rogerparkinson it means seeing public transport as necessary infrastructure instead of something to profit off of, which is where America fails all the time. And I just said we should send the cars out of cities and into rural towns were transportation can be life or death in health situations.
@ErickaSimone also, if you’re going less than 5 miles, consider a bike (or ebike). If the roads around you feel dangerous, scream at public officials to make them safe.
@EdSanders OMG I want e-bikes or scooters so bad. I know that’s not an option for everyone but man I wish it was more available.

@ErickaSimone so, I totally get that, but in lots of sci-fi I feel like there is this concept of those things blending together. Doesn't that seem appealing?

Barring ofc we don't live in a sci-fi universe, yes, I also want America to have functional busses/trains/etc. When I first moved to Copenhagen I looked at the transit map and I was like "this makes no sense! the city is so small!"

@joshbuddy I mean. We can definitely have a blend, but in the US they refuse to blend anything. just car dependency everywhere. Id at least like functional options.

@ErickaSimone yeah 100%. and sometimes that sci-fi vision has been used as an excuse to sit on their hands wrt expanding transit access, its so gross.

it feels so frustrating that after decades of trying to build car-dependent communities, it should be obvious it just doesn't work. economics, health, just the physical space it takes for cars to park and move, it doesn't work.

and even more frustrating is a blend of transportation options would make life better for drivers!

@ErickaSimone - living in a large city with a pretty-okay (if underfunded, too small, and outdated) transit system means that I take transit 95% of the time, and only drive for long out-of-town trips or the occasional hauling-large-objects situation. If the transit network was extended to include nearby cities & to run 24 hours, my partner and I wouldn't even need to own a car (they need it for work since they often have to travel out of the core at very early/late hours when transit isn't running). A carshare service would be plenty to serve our needs. And I genuinely wish everyone could have those sorts of options in their life. I love driving -- it's fun! But not *having* to do it.
@ErickaSimone functional transit requires bike-friendly neighborhoods where kids can bike themselves to school and people bike to the grocery store, transit hubs. Not a free-for-all where you have to elbow your way through a wall of cars to get anywhere. #eBikes will take us over the gap from our sprawling density to there, if we let them.
@enobacon I love the concepts of e-bikes. Even Vespas. But I’m stuck in LA, where everything is a 30 hop on a freeway.
@ErickaSimone not *everything* is more than 5-10 miles away. In my experience it is easy to average 12-15mph in stop-and-go traffic (on a bike usually you don't stop, at least we legalized that in Oregon), 20 on long trips if you can cruise at ~25 on mostly long straightaways (built with adequate sight distance and minimal crossing conflicts.) #eBikes fit into your full garage and budget, allowing you to drive the car less, not buy a 2nd car, or keep an unreliable 2nd one longer, 0-1 car/fam.
@ErickaSimone All of those short trips are rough on the engine too, starting and stopping cold. If you get an #eBike and start trying to bike to the 1-5 mile trips when you can, not only will you never be stuck in traffic but you also don't need to make time to exercise enough to stay healthy. You'll also quickly notice that you need a more connected low-stress bike network and you are biking past a lot of parking space that could be the businesses and destinations to meet your daily needs.
@enobacon not everything. But work, and events, especially for myself, in music…. We may have to travel the spread. And LA spreads. But I agree. All the local stuff? I’d take an electric everywhere.
@ErickaSimone the short trips by eBike is all it takes. The more people ride to local trips, the sooner the neighborhood will transition to higher density that puts more of your daily needs within a shorter distance.
@ErickaSimone Totally agree and public transit should be fare-free as well. It’s a public good.
@gwiz an intricate part of a functional city and society.

@ErickaSimone Quite happy with public transport, so long as it comes with a zero covid guarantee.

Which none does, so I haven't used public transport since the before times.

@ErickaSimone @phoccer I want teleportation
@Kubernates Eh, the whole dissolving and recreating me part freaks me out. 😁
@phoccer think quantum warp tunnel instead of transporter
@ErickaSimone absolutely. The problems happen in places like Arizona (or maybe most places) where it's too expensive to live in the city (I'd personally LOVE to live in downtown Phoenix) but people have to live further out, 30, 40 minutes, an hour or more & then commute with jammed roadways. It's nuts. The drive, cars, it's all awful. And then you have companies so against wfh. My wife has to drive over an hour every day to work in downtown Phoenix from where we live. I always think about all the pollution from all the cars, sometimes it's like LA. We get LA smog drifting over too. I'd love an electric car but they're beyond unaffordable for most people.
@jake4480 that’s been the problem in LA too. Accessible parts of the city are gentrifying quickly, and then you have to live further out with no train options and 5 dollar gas. It’s wild out here.
@ErickaSimone oh wow I can only imagine. Only a few hours west! That traffic gridlock I see over there- wow. Sometimes it must be better to live in the city to save on car costs. All the awful repairs, insurance, lease or loan payments- I lived in Brooklyn briefly and LOVED the subway and not having a car. Not a fan of cars. The only thing I disliked was groceries 🤣 But yeah - super rural now. Just like growing up. Sigh. Not a big fan of the rural either except saving money. Tradeoffs though, right? 🙄
@ErickaSimone I want all cars to be taxis, just as a basic privacy and safety thing, but since I'm not rich enough to afford a personal chauffeur, a car is the second best option. Mixing with other humans have put me at risk and actual receipt of assault more than once. Buses and trains are the worst possible option for me. It isn't infrastructure we'd need to change, it is the basis of human behaviour itself that would need to be changed first. That is less realistic than self driving cars.
@ErickaSimone
"A developed country is not a place where the poor have cars. It's where the rich use public transportation." (A quote variously attributed to Meik Wiking, Enrique Peñalosa...and Gustavo Petro.)
@ErickaSimone extra points for a “no-fare” public transportation system (mass transit, e-bikes, trains, buses, etc).
@ErickaSimone When I was in Budapest, I compared the Korut tram to a moving sidewalk. It was 70 ft long and came every 2 minutes. More of that please.
@ErickaSimone One of the world's best transit cities - Tokyo - is about to get Waymo, so it'll be interesting to see how that goes. Tokyo is also one of the best cities for hailing a taxi, and bikes are everywhere.
@PeterLudemann that is… so dumb.
@ErickaSimone Apparently, Tokyo has a shortage of taxi drivers. (It's been a few years since I was last there, so I can't confirm how difficult it is to get a taxi - it used to be very easy).
Japan also regulates rideshares (Uber et al) much more - last time I was in Kyoto, I could get only a taxi using Uber (there are better apps for taxis but I hadn't set them up).
@PeterLudemann Japan is supposedly getting waymos. Very disappointing.