San Francisco's decision to delay Algebra for all students until the 9th grade in the name of "equity," is a really bad one. Black parents didn't ask for this, and this strategy won't achieve the equity that they're looking for.

Hard to accept: A lot of "anti-woke" people believe that being woke is all just a lot of bad decisions like this. This belief is due to framing by the far-right: any bad policy is "woke." I help them understand that Black families don't want this and didn't ask for it.

@mekkaokereke I don't understand what part of "lets get rid of advanced programs because not all students are advanced and there is inequity in that advancement.

If they had special school, maybe after school or in the summer specifically for students in key areas to GET advanced they might just have a little better luck. Algebra is a good start. They might even throw some study skills in there since it is shown that those skills are the biggest problem for kids from disadvantaged homes.

@longobord

The "there's inequity in *advanced* classes" argument does have merit.

Black kids are often misidentified as "not gifted" and white kids are often misidentified as "gifted." And then gifted kids get better resources, more attention, better classes, smaller class sizes, that makes the gifted label a self fulfilling prophecy.

The solve for that may not be "No gifted programs for anyone!" It may again be "Reduce the racism."

Similar arguments are for sexism / non neurotypicals.

@longobord

On gender and tracking:
A not-rich little white 1st grade girl that has undiagnosed bad eyesight, is more likely than a rich white boy, to be mislabelled as "not good at math" and put on the slower education track.

She finally gets her diagnosis and her glasses in the 5th grade, but by then it's too late. She fights to make up ground to get into her dream college, then says things like, "I majored in Chemistry at Cornell, which was hard because I have never been good at math!" 😢

@mekkaokereke In undergrad I tutored math and was wildly popular among women. I learned to ask in the 1st or 2nd session "OK, who was it who made you believe you were bad at math?"

Every. Single. Student could, and did name names.

@longobord

Same, except I tutored football players. They would need help with Calculus or Linear Algebra, but I would start them literally at arithmetic. Not kidding. Then I would test their knowledge and walk up until I found the exact place that their understanding went from "complete mastery" to "some gaps." This was often around algebra, pre-calc, or geometry. Then I would fill in that pothole, and everything else would snap into place!

It felt like this:
https://youtu.be/jChiI15Iwa4

Lay a Brick Like a BOSS!! (Epic Brick laying Trick)

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@longobord

The fall off from "complete knowledge" to "some gaps" usually coincided with a significant life event that was not directly related to academics. Eg, loss of a parent, divorce, a teacher who really didn't like them, etc.

@mekkaokereke @longobord This. When I was in high school I became very ill (life threatening style) and I was too busy fighting for my life to really, really engage with my Geometry class. Everyone in my family (outside my parents who knew what was up) simply thought I was bad at geometry.

But!

There are also a lot of teachers who absolutely suck at the most basic instructions of math/science and then won't take any questions at this time.🤔

@Aviva_Gary @mekkaokereke Don't dismiss the likeliness that there are systemic problems where the people teaching math have similar shortcomings. It's hard to teach what you don't understand, but still people try.

@mekkaokereke @longobord
When my brother was a math PhD student, he tutored undergrads, and his stories sound a lot like yours.

In one tutoring session, there was increasing mutual confusion until he finally wrote out:

x + y = y + x

…and the student said, “Why did nobody tell me this?!?”

Years of mechanical computation — learn process, repeat 50x — had left this student without the most basic mathematical intuitions. (Probably compounded by abusive teaching.) Of course they were lost.

@inthehands @mekkaokereke @longobord

Yeah. Black High school student "My math teacher said I'm more of a 'words' person."

A couple weeks later, after my music class pretty explicitly became a math class "I think I'm starting to get this math stuff"

Yeah. You just needed a teacher who wasn't giving up on you preemptively.

@griotspeak @inthehands @mekkaokereke @longobord And maybe a real-world application, as well. It always helps.
(Not that this might not be failure to put actual effort into designing maths lessons, of course. Which comes very close to preemptive resignation.)
@SoftwareTheron @griotspeak @inthehands @mekkaokereke I remember back when I was in 8th grade algebra, everyone always complained about the word problems since you had that extra step of needing to build the equations. Sometimes I think the forming and solving are taught backwards, but without the solving part, the forming part seems pretty pointless too.
@longobord @griotspeak @inthehands @mekkaokereke Makes sense to me. I vaguely remember being taught to do this by my mum, back when. I think I was probably 10 or so; certainly pre-secondary school. (Both my parents taught biology.)

@inthehands @mekkaokereke @longobord

Thinking about it more, I think that what sticks with me most about this anecdote is that–when a student experiences difficulty–teachers are more quick to assume that that struggle is intrinsic when they are black or female. That teacher went directly to "There is something about you that is just fundamentally bad at math." and no one called them on it.

@griotspeak @inthehands @mekkaokereke @longobord the gender based and race based differences in how a teacher replies to a student are well known. Give my the current climate fixing these would likely be dismissed as woke

@griotspeak Music is math in a different form. You can’t perform most music until you learn how to count. So is walking, talking, and most physical activity. Writing prose or poetry involves math.

Don’t let people tell you you can’t do math. You do math every day without even thinking about it. The problem is in how we TEACH math.

@inthehands @mekkaokereke @longobord I’ve been pretty impressed with the Common Core curriculum used by several states at the elementary school level

Less focus on rote tasks, heavy focus on number theory. My (Berkeley) 8th graders has been doing algebra this year (mostly in the form of functions), but I don’t think they call it “algebra"

@peterbutler @inthehands @mekkaokereke Back when I was growing up my mother taught 8th grade algebra. About 1/4 of all students took algebra as a regular course, following the algebra textbook in the 8th grade. She taught it in major metropolitan Virginia and small town Kansas. It boggles my mind that San Francisco (and it sounds like Berkeley too) have LESS TO OFFER THAN KANSAS.
@mekkaokereke @longobord I find this lack of algebra understanding common, and I feel like the solution is more algebra with a variety of pedagogy and no skipping. Lots of people say they understand things, but they really just memorize the mechanics. Algebra is the most important part of K-12 math curriculum, and schools should ensure maximum understanding even at the expense of boredom for "gifted" kids because it's very hard to tell when someone actually understands.
@heathborders @mekkaokereke There's a HUGE difference between "skipping" and "starting early".
@longobord @mekkaokereke yep. I agree. We should start earlier and require probably 2-3 years of algebra for every student.

@mekkaokereke @longobord

Biases:
1. I skipped 8th grade math to do Algebra in 8th grade
2. My son skipped 7th grade math to do Algebra in 7th grade
3. I have a BS in Math

My recommendation would have bored the hell out of me given the quality of schools I came from and my parents' lack of ability to get me outside tutoring, but it also probably would have benefitted many classmates I know that got As in Algebra bc they only memorized procedures

@mekkaokereke @longobord I also tutored the scholarship athletes in college. I was not tutoring calculus for them (because they were not at that level), but I did start with the basics and brought them up to speed. The answer is not delaying algebra.
@mekkaokereke @longobord One of the reasons Iike Spivak's calculus textbook is that it starts off with a quick but thorough review of all of the prerequisite knowledge to fill in gaps.