Once again, I'm reminded of how much the billionaire space race has absolutely destroyed my love of rockets.

10 years ago, I definitely would have been paying close attention to the current giant SpaceX launch. But because I know it's going to be used to launch hundreds of unregulated, unsafe, polluting, for-profit Starlink satellites at once, I just can't look.

Instead of being excited and awestruck by a new gigantic rocket launch, it just makes me want to puke.

@sundogplanets Yep, space colonialism and industrialization is super depressing. Especially since it's destroying our ability to see space from Earth. SpaceX is literally stealing the night sky from us, it's tragic.
@sundogplanets Billionaires ruin everything they touch, even the vastness of #Space
@Lazarou @sundogplanets I see it thus : billionaires are the puddle that form under a leaking flow system that would work better if we fixed it.
@Lazarou @sundogplanets Not saying the system is good. Just sayibg we should at least fix the leaks.
@Lazarou
Even billionaires can't ruin the vastness. They just make inaccessible for us when they trash earth orbit for some centuries.
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@arminfritz @sundogplanets somebody needs to stop that Elon.....
@Lazarou
Elon isn't the issue. He's taking care of himself already. With Twitter crashing, first Tesla and than SpaceX will be caught in that downwards spiral.
As usual Bezos's the real problem. Also a divorced sociopath but way more capable when it comes to world domination.
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I can relate. I used to spend hours reading about #NASA and #rockets in our 1970 #WorldbookEncyclopedia
Now all I see with each new launch announcement is crass #profiteering.

@tanquist @sundogplanets

I was looking at photographs from Apollo 11 the other day, remembering how wonderful and exciting those times were and how today all I feel I dread.

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Yes, and, I think my contempt for Musk and anyone who tolerates him, is a separate good reason.

@sundogplanets I understand where you're coming from. We need to make sure that we are protecting the environment, our night sky, and future generations by implementing better regulations and policy measures when it comes to launching satellites and other space exploration endeavors.
@sundogplanets I was just trying to write this exact toot. I feel exactly the same. It's incredibly sad :(
@sundogplanets I felt the same when several GOP presidents became advocates of the space program. :/
@sundogplanets Doesn't it feel like Musk wants to punish the world for something?
@Gustodon his behavior at Twitter pretty much shows he simply doesn't care.
@programmer01135 A billionaire's prerogative, I suppose.
@sundogplanets @Gustodon Elon started hating trans people and going hard right when Grimes dumped him and started dating Chelsea Manning. Similarly, Scott Adams was deluded for a long time, but he didn’t go seriously unhinged until his trophy wife left him.
We really need more rich white men to get therapy rather than lash out at other people.
@mathew It says a lot that I thought Grimes was just a character from a meme.
@sundogplanets generally I agree but isn't Starship for moon and interplanetary use more than launching microsatellites?
@wilbr Starlinks are 1250kg each, they are not microsatellites.
@wilbr @sundogplanets it also been cited as a rapid intercontinental transit system, for those who can't stand fifteen hour plane journeys.
@geospacedman @wilbr @sundogplanets Can you say "rapid deployment" but make it sound like a tourist option.

@sundogplanets

“I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.”

— Stephen Jay Gould, The Panda's Thumb: More Reflections in Natural History

@mysophobe @sundogplanets
This is why the rich constantly undermine education and labor reform -- they don't want competition so they starve it before it gets a chance.
Starlink - Wikipedia

@joostvb @sundogplanets
That page is harrowing 😱

I read that as:
Starlink: "We can reserve you a time slot when we allow you to look at the sky" (now sing our praise)

WTAF ?!?

@sundogplanets Pretty much the exact same story with me and computer technology. 😫
@sundogplanets I am sorry they have trashed it for you. I feel the same.
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I wish that more people would talk about the #CarbonFootprint of rockets. C'est la vie or not.

@sundogplanets

I just today had the same thought: if somebody had told me 20 years ago that in 2023 I'm going to see news about a rocket launch and will think "meh, I hope this fails in a spectacular and expensive but non-lethal fashion" I would be flabbergasted.

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I told my partner the same thing yesterday. I grew up in the 60s and loved the 'space race'. Now it's in the hands of powerful capitalists...

@cosmiclibrarian @sundogplanets

I mean, it was in the hands of an actual Nazi in the 60s...

@jonhendry @sundogplanets
Project Paperclip.
Disney-fied. That makes it all ok...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zcU85O82XE
Disneyland 1955 - Man in Space - Wernher von Braun

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@sundogplanets Capitalism destroys everything.
@sundogplanets i read your toot the other day about EM owning 52% of all satellites now - that is just so scary!

@pvonhellermannn @sundogplanets

Fortunately his are mostly doing dialup, so, at least so far, there isn't much of the global economy that is dependent on that 52%

@jonhendry @sundogplanets thank you - that is good to know. To me right now that sounds onky semi-reassuring, but i really know nothing about any of this

@pvonhellermannn @sundogplanets

As far as I know the many, many satellites he owns up there are all new ones for his own company's satellite internet product. He's been spewing them into orbit, dozens at a time, for the last few years.

@sundogplanets the billionaire's acolytes have done as much or more damage. They seem to care very little about actual space exploration and spaceflight. Instead filling up most forums with loud and ignorant apologia for the fantasies of their messiah.

@sundogplanets How did someone wiser than I once phrase it?

"Life gives you lessons. If you don't learn from them, it keeps giving you the same lessons."

As I've experienced: even if you do learn from them, it keeps giving them to make sure you're still paying attention.

Gil Scott-Heron (Of "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised") fame, wrote "Whitey on the Moon" in 1970:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otwkXZ0SmTs

We still haven't learned from our poets.

If we continue ignoring them it will keep getting worse.

Gil Scott-Heron Whitey on the moon.avi

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@sundogplanets I never was much of a rocket enthusiast, but now I'm an avid hater.
@sundogplanets Remember when it seemed like crazy rich people wanted to do insane projects like cathedrals and statues so they'd have their names in history books, not because they wanted to commodify the arts and sciences for more profit? I miss those crazy old bastards.

@sundogplanets I can read this message in the most remote part of rural Utah because of those satellites.

Instead of not caring about rocket launches at all, now they effect my life in a positive way.

You may not like for profit companies... but not-for-profit companies don't have a super great record of building the best rockets ever created.

Federally funded NASA doesn't even try anymore and hasn't produced anything meaningful in like 60 years.

@luke @sundogplanets IMO it would be better if we delivered the internet to you with a cable. I hate that all humanity's decisions today are made for economic benefit and nothing else.

@realwaaagh @sundogplanets of course a cable is better, for tons of reasons - but there are a lot of places you can't run a cable. You can't run a cable into a national monument, or an indian reservation.

I live in an RV fulltime, often times hundreds of miles away from utilities.

You can't run a cable to a boat.

Also, copper is expensive. I don't think anyone's running cable to rural Ethiopia.

You can knock capitalism all you want, but you can do that wirelessly from flying airplanes.

@luke @sundogplanets I rather live in a world without internet on the boats that without a night sky.
@realwaaagh @sundogplanets well luckily you don't have to - and I can live in dark sky places and still have internet.

@realwaaagh @sundogplanets if you’re going somewhere dark enough to actually see the night sky - there is almost certainly no wired internet - or any other buried utilities or phone poles. Those areas are federally protected.

Where there are phone poles there is light pollution. In Alaska, Utah, Maine… there’s dark skies.

You can have dark skies or electricity.

With starlink I can live offgrid on solar power AND have dark skies - which is primarily why I do it.

@luke @sundogplanets

With all due respect I'm not sure you getting internet in remote rural Utah is good value for what the world is losing.

But then, you probably didn't move to remote Utah because you want to participate in society.

@jonhendry @sundogplanets with all due respect, what exactly have you lost?

You see a streak of lights in the sky when you're out at 2am taking your stacks of milky way photos in whatever populated light polluted area you're in?

We can send people and equipment to the ISS after the federal government abandoned it?

Tell me. What did you lose?

Just because I gained something, and most underdeveloped nations gained something - that doesn't me we took it from you.

@luke @sundogplanets

And when there are thousands more of them up there? And some are nonfunctional and start breaking up?

@jonhendry @sundogplanets

What exactly do you think is going to happen? They're gonna fall out of orbit and crash down to earth in fiery balls that destroy cities? They're not.

They burn on reentry.

We're talking about the coldest, deadest place imaginable, where nobody lives or travels.

We don't care, Russia doesn't care, China doesn't care, scientists and ecologists wildlife experts don't care, and space itself does not care.

It's about the best possible place for our temporary tech.

@luke @sundogplanets

And the fragments that just keep orbiting?

@jonhendry @sundogplanets if they stop working and stay in orbit, yeah, they keep orbiting waiting for repair.

If they stop working and fall out of orbit for some mysterious reason, then the velocity burns them to the point of negligence.

SpaceX might be a private company, but they still have to answer to pretty much every regulatory authority imaginable.

They're not throwing ACME grand pianos up there just to fall down on your head like roadrunner.