evacideI don't understand the people who told me I would get more conservative with age. The more powerful I become, the more angry I get at the people who abuse their power and the more aware I become of the ways in which systemic oppression functions.
20-year old me totally believed that tech was a meritocracy where people pulled themselves up by their bootstraps and that the 30-something guys I dated were attracted to me because I was so mature.
In other news, I am reading "Capital in the 21st Century" by Thomas Picketty and I am so angry at baby boomers right now.
Gary E. Walker@evacide the only reasonable response to them.
Michael Slade
Baragesi@evacide Living in a student single room aged 51 rn, and it stays that way until my folks die...
Curioso đ đșđŠ (jgg)I have read that book, too. Well, most of it (I didn't need all the details).
No generation after baby boomers have done better (nor worse). It's not a generational thing. It is a powerful people shitting on us, and us not opposing them. Not strongly enough, not as many enough, not knowing enough how to do it.
Neo-liberalism has reigned for half a century, we got to its limits, and even the rich are painfully aware there is no sense in going further; it would be worse even for them. Problem is, people in power really don't know where to go. Because the thing that are killing the economy are the unbearable inequality, the ecological collapse, and all other things neo-liberalism never considered an issue and even promoted as a good thing.
CheriSwears@evacide
Itâs not boomers fault, itâs the fault of unchecked human nature.
Itâs not boomers fault, itâs the fault of unchecked human nature.
alexferrie@SheriSwears @evacide unchecked human nature is what has people volunteer to jump into lifeboats and risk themselves to help others, to go to disaster zones and dig through rubble, to volunteer at soup kitchens and suicide hotlines. Human nature isn't evil, despite what capitalists want you to believe. That's a trope they use to ridicule anyone who says that people can cooperate for a fairer society worldwide
@alexferrie
Youâre right, human nature can be amazing. Perhaps âidâ is a better descriptor - people who run on instinctual desires without an intervening ego. Thinking beyond oneâs self is a mark of maturity not every one achieves.
Youâre right, human nature can be amazing. Perhaps âidâ is a better descriptor - people who run on instinctual desires without an intervening ego. Thinking beyond oneâs self is a mark of maturity not every one achieves.
@SheriSwears I agree with you to an extent. I believe there's an element of societal conditioning involved. We educate our children that the way to achieve success is to trample over others, and sadly that's a lesson that takes hold of all too many.
Teaching social responsibility (by which I mean the notion that doing things that benefit others benefits us all) at an early age would, I think, lead to a better outcome for everyone.
Enlightened self interest
Teaching social responsibility (by which I mean the notion that doing things that benefit others benefits us all) at an early age would, I think, lead to a better outcome for everyone.
Enlightened self interest
Chema HernĂĄndez GilI have been rage reading that book for years now. I have to take a few months in between chapter to calm down.
Steve's Place@evacide Our parents ran the show. Their leaders remained well in2 our adulthood. Boomer kids were spat upon by our "greatest generation" elders.
These articles are crap.
Insulted well into our 30's. greatest generation called my sister and I "you children" when insisting we butt out of everything surrounding my father's death. Kids @ 35.
We were whipped with belts. Our treatment for TBI was "suck it up."
In the 7th grade 3 of us kids talked Mom out of fear of mixed marriages.
Stop the tar.
Daniel LakelandIt's wildly under-appreciated how much issues today were caused by rapid increase in lifespan. I found this chart: https://u.demog.berkeley.edu/~andrew/1918/figure2.html
Life expectancy at birth born in 1900 was about 46 years for men. It was 65 in 1950. It was 70 in 1980
Institutions changed much slower than life expectancy. Concentrating wealth towards elders made more sense when "elder" was "the father of 10 year olds" rather than "the father of 65 year olds"
Natanael â ïž@dlakelan @stevesplace @evacide how much of the change in life expectancy is from fewer children dying vs adults living longer?
@Natanael_L
I would guess that fewer children dying is an important part of it but certainly not all there was a massive shift in employment in the US for example something like 90% of everyone was a farmer in 1900 and it's like less than 1% now farming is dramatically more dangerous then lots of other professions now, lots of people died in accidents or from disease
@stevesplace @evacide
I would guess that fewer children dying is an important part of it but certainly not all there was a massive shift in employment in the US for example something like 90% of everyone was a farmer in 1900 and it's like less than 1% now farming is dramatically more dangerous then lots of other professions now, lots of people died in accidents or from disease
@stevesplace @evacide
@Natanael_L @stevesplace @evacide
It may be mostly children though based on this: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1041693/united-states-all-time-child-mortality-rate/
@dlakelan @Natanael_L @evacide But if you had more births, and everyone died at age 14, would that make the maximum age rise?
Medicine and ample food, no wars since the Civil War and education have all contributed.
@stevesplace @Natanael_L @evacide
You're right that the distribution matters, and that the expectancy isn't giving us all the information we need. However you can see a steady rise in the right tail of age in other sources. Like CDC life tables, where perhaps the different demographics give us an idea also of different times. The people benefiting the most from modern medicine etc are living deeper into the range of 80-90 etc while other demographics probably more similar to older time periods
@stevesplace @Natanael_L @evacide
The 1966 CDC life tables are interesting for this question... For example out of 100k MEN born 70 years before 1966, only 36% of them were still alive at age 70 in 1966.
Compare to today... of 100k males born 70 years before 2020 about 68% of them still alive today
@stevesplace @Natanael_L @evacide
Also the 1920 census could be compared to the 2020 census https://www2.census.gov/library/publications/decennial/1920/volume-2/41084484v2ch03.pdf
Just hilighting one data point, in 1920 there were 200k males age 70
in 2020 there were about 1.5 Million or almost a factor of 10 larger.
https://www.census.gov/data/tables/2020/demo/age-and-sex/2020-age-sex-composition.html
@stevesplace @Natanael_L @evacide
Comparatively, there were 800k 20 year olds, then, and about 2.2M now. So 70yo/20yo ratio was about 0.25 in 1920 and is now about 0.68. Close to 3x as prevalent today.
Dexter Palmer@evacide Wait'll you get to the sequel, Capital and Ideologyâthat's where you'll really start to feel the rage
Adrian Cockcroft@evacide You may find it interesting to read this next⊠https://marianamazzucato.com/books/the-value-of-everything
Luke Kanies
Thomas Depierre@evacide try "The Pinch" next maybe ? But yeah the data is there in the West and it is not pretty. The Boomers are still strangling us, and unless we massively rethink land tax and inheritance, they are going to leave us a looong time mess. And that is just economical. And let's not talk of the fact that the only way they can have a good retirement is going to be by turning the whole active population into caretakers...
Buy nothing new@Di4na @evacide I'm a boomer, late stage, my millenial kids make fun of me for being a hippy. No throwaway nappies or wipes, use cake soap shampoo and conditioner, wash my own dishes, grow my own herbs. Public servant/social work, carefully manage modest income to leave capital for my offspring. Two only because, zero population growth.
Think you'll find its capitalists throughout history, with a special mention to neo liberals (Thatcher, Murdoch ...) who are our nemeses
Think you'll find its capitalists throughout history, with a special mention to neo liberals (Thatcher, Murdoch ...) who are our nemeses
@princelysum @evacide you may have deeply misunderstood the whole discussion :) But that is ok.
Mx Verda@MxVerda oh definitely. But we are not talking about *one* here
@evacide What part of Picketty makes you makes you angry with boomers?
JR@princelysum @evacide
I guess they donât teach about mass movement protests to kids nowadays. But if Trump gets in and a draft becomes law then maybe Gen Zers will realize there are flavors of bad they have never tasted.
I guess they donât teach about mass movement protests to kids nowadays. But if Trump gets in and a draft becomes law then maybe Gen Zers will realize there are flavors of bad they have never tasted.
Mast0b1t
âARC@evacide boomers are exiting the market and the workforce. We just gunna inflate assets and wages and swallow them now.
@evacide they left us too much debt⊠we have toâŠ
@Csosorchid @evacide yes, it also decreases debt burdens.
JD@evacide as a boomer I can totally understand that. So am I.
John LuskBaby boomer here. The older I get, the more I realize incrementalism Will. Not. Work.
Jeri Dansky@evacide Boomer here who thinks it's totally unfair that I got major financial advantages that later generations did not. Would be happy to do what I can to make that situation better. Not sure what that is beyond voting for better candidates, pestering the ones I have, and donating to good causes.
majinnaibu@jeridansky @evacide Just try to teach other boomers, they generally won't listen to anybody else. I'd say that to anybody of any generation. Teach our cohorts to be better.
Sandor SzĂŒcs@evacide I donât read the book, but I canât less agree. Some days ago I listened to a boomer that told how hard he worked and that the young people donât want to work. Thatâs a neo liberal narrative that is used by old giant industries that donât want to pay the market price. There arenât enough people that can work on whatever the company needs. They want that you work very hard for a low price and they earn the simple profits, but that doesnât work anymore.
Lars Olsson@evacide that is definitely one of the books that will do that to a person.
Cliff Barbier@evacide
The most unexpected beach read of 2014!
Not even joking, either. It was a NYT bestseller at 1.5 million copies, came out in English in May, and people reported reading it on their summer vacations.
I love it!
Esme Ciredutemps@evacide Thomas Picketty is violent with his wife. He is typically one of these people abusing their power :
https://madame.lefigaro.fr/societe/actu/il-faut-surmonter-la-honte-aurelie-filippetti-revient-sur-sa-plainte-deposee-contre-thomas-piketty-pour-violences-conjugales-20221010
https://madame.lefigaro.fr/societe/actu/il-faut-surmonter-la-honte-aurelie-filippetti-revient-sur-sa-plainte-deposee-contre-thomas-piketty-pour-violences-conjugales-20221010
«Il faut surmonter la honte» : Aurélie Filippetti revient sur sa plainte déposée contre Thomas Piketty pour violences conjugales
Dans le cadre du 5e anniversaire du mouvement #MeToo, l'ex-ministre a accordé une interview au Journal du Dimanche, le 9 octobre, dans laquelle elle revient sur le combat mené contre son ex-conjoint, l'économiste Thomas Piketty.
Wes Kennedy@evacide âAngry at Boomersâ is my default state.
@evacide why anger at one generation? The program of capitalism has been running a few hundred years.
Coach PÄáčini Âź@evacide Baby Boomers are a product of the traumas of the Silent Generation that birthed them.
From a gift-based worldview, we are all miracles of space dust, and each of us received blessings and traumas (some more of one than the other) from previous generations.
Xalibur@evacide why do you blame "the American Dream" on Baby Boomers? It was there long before. It was limited by outer influences (hot and cold wars; the communist threat, some religions), which disappeared or lost influence, so that it could grow undesturbed.
Baby Boomers were brought up with it. It runs as a creed since generations. It's the simple sequell to colonialism and Predestination doctrine.
For all I know, it might have been around since the rise of the roman Empire.
Baby Boomers were brought up with it. It runs as a creed since generations. It's the simple sequell to colonialism and Predestination doctrine.
For all I know, it might have been around since the rise of the roman Empire.
ChookMother đŠđșđŠ@evacide I'm a baby boomer. Tell me one thing I've done that's made you angry.
@anne_twain For one thing, you have replied to a post that I made almost two years ago as if it is an invitation to debate you personally right now.
@evacide LOL. Is that the best you can do?
Virginia MurrYeah ... sadly, I completely get this.
@evacide donât feel bad. It wasnât any different (ok, it was a lot slower, actually) back in the day. It was always a shitshow once there was money to be made.
Kirk Flashner@evacide Totally get it, I was much more conservative when I was younger too. Although even that wouldnât be considered conservative anymore.
Kit Rhett Aultman@evacide Yeah, as I got older I gained more and more experience to refute the myths I was raised on, and belief in (and defense of) them is crucial to being conservative.
Autumn Lavigne (She/Her)@evacide Hell yeah Eva