Ken WhiteApr 13, 2023

This is exactly why it’s unnatural and dangerous for #gamers to be employed

https://www.rawstory.com/pentagon-leaker-identified/

New York Times names alleged leaker of secret Pentagon documents on Ukraine

The Washington Post revealed Wednesday night that they had information indicating the leaker of the Pentagon reports on Ukraine was "described as a gun enthusiast who worked on a military base."On Thursday morning, however, the New York Times revealed the name and base in which the alleged leaker se...

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Show threadKen White
There are people who play and enjoy games, and then there are GAMERZ, and gamerz are shitty people from a shitty culture.
Apr 13, 2023 at 7:08pmWeb
Show threadDirk HohndelApr 13, 2023
@Popehat that sounds like such a lovely group. Such great topics to bond over.
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Show threadGraham Sutherland / PolynomialApr 13, 2023
@Popehat I tend to distinguish between the two as "gamers" and "Gamers", with the capital-G version being the kind of people who think consuming a particular type of media is a personality trait.
Show threadsynlogicApr 13, 2023
@gsuberland @Popehat light treason vs heavy treason
Show threadGraham Sutherland / PolynomialApr 13, 2023
@synlogic @Popehat what's a little light treason among friends?
Show threadsynlogicApr 13, 2023
@gsuberland @Popehat who among us?
Show threadGraham Sutherland / PolynomialApr 13, 2023

@synlogic @Popehat I mean, who *hasn't* violated Sections 1 or 5 of the The Official Secrets Act 1989 (c. 6)? That's like an average Tuesday!

(note to future employers and SC/DV clearance officers: please maintain your sense of humour)

Show threadPacky AndersonApr 13, 2023
@gsuberland @synlogic @Popehat I prefer to keep my treason within the bounds of whatever (tabletop) game I'm playing. Being treasonous against Lord Farquaad of FantasyLand is fun; committing treason against the USA not so much.
Show threadsynlogicApr 13, 2023
@gsuberland @Popehat totally. heck just this morning I was walking downstairs to breakfast, tripped, fell down the REST of the stairs, got back up again, gave myself a once over, and realized, dammit, I had *just* accidentally sold the Normandy D-Day plans to Himmler's cousin. (Buttdialed on my smartphone when I hit the bottom landing.)
Show threadSean Michael RaganApr 14, 2023
@synlogic @gsuberland @Popehat You probably haven't heard. Those were actually declassified just last week.
Show threadGraham Sutherland / PolynomialApr 13, 2023
@Popehat On a slightly more serious note, I work in an industry that involves a certain level of interaction with protectively marked (aka "classified") materials, to varying degrees, and it's really evident that the knock-on effects of historical overclassification haven't abated, despite serious efforts to limit further misclassification of resources. People are still being given broad unsupervised access to sensitive resources just so they can get their work done, because everything's secret.
Show threadGraham Sutherland / PolynomialApr 13, 2023
@Popehat The clearance processes themselves are problematic, too. I have a whole rant about the UK's SC/DV system but I'll spare you from it.
Show threadMichael WymanApr 13, 2023

@gsuberland @Popehat I remember when I got my low-level clearance— another life ago— having a brief daydream that now I’d be handed the book with all the classified stuff… but of course that wasn’t how it works.

Only to watch these leaks years later and feel like maybe that too often *is* how it works!

Show threadGraham Sutherland / PolynomialApr 13, 2023
@mwyman @Popehat Given the description of this case, this person would've (should've!) required whatever the US's equivalent of Developed Vetting (DV) is, since the access to protectively marked materials was regular rather than infrequent, but yeah, the super low granularity of access restriction and vetting thoroughness is a widespread problem. Stuff is compartmentalised to a significant degree, but after access is granted the oversight and supervision is frequently lax.
Show threadGraham Sutherland / PolynomialApr 13, 2023
@mwyman @Popehat My biggest complaint is that the vetting process is rarely, if ever, tailored to the specific risks and threat model surrounding the work. It's extremely generic and leads to a situation where people who need the barest minimum of due diligence are lumped in with people who need a moderate standard of vetting, with the same time allotted to each case, so the majority of people going through the process are either getting over-vetted or under-vetted with nothing in between.
Show threadZone LeftApr 14, 2023

@gsuberland @mwyman @Popehat I’ll never forget being asked if I ever saw a buddy of mine drink too much.

We were like 23 and in military flight school. It would’ve been suspicious if we weren’t drinking way too much

Show threadZone LeftApr 14, 2023

@gsuberland @Popehat people asking about lunch on email is secret not because of the email, but because it went through a certain server.

Mock combat scenarios with no real world analog create thousands of pages of secret material that could safely be handed out to Russian agents simply to reduce American landfill waste.

Show threadJeffApr 14, 2023

@Popehat
Someone finally asked it on Fox News.

News Anchor [very serious tone]: “The suspect has been charged with two very serious felonies. Do you think the FBI will be pursuing charges against any of these ‘Gamers’ who had access to this information and failed to report it or take steps to prevent it from being disseminated? Will they be facing arrest?”

Contributor [equally grave]: “Yes, they are. You are talking about something called *Misprision of a Felony*.…”

Show threadBeth CiminiApr 14, 2023
@gsuberland @Popehat nice guys vs NiceGuy(TM)s
Show threadRairiiApr 13, 2023
@Popehat exactly why people started to rather talk about #gameing on fedi
Show threadCoach Pāṇini ®Apr 13, 2023
@Popehat Corporate HR Karens are entirely unprepared how to handle the legions of incels pervasively spread throughout multiple critical organizations and key teams.
Show threadDonna LanclosApr 13, 2023
@Popehat I did not like how in that article the racist nature of TSC was not made very clear until a few paragraphs after it was first mentioned. Among other things buried far too far in.
Show threadAriadneApr 13, 2023
@DonnaLanclos @Popehat they’ve actually removed that!! Now it just mentions the discords name
Show threadDonna LanclosApr 13, 2023
@MinPinManor @Popehat what?? cowards
Show threadMr FrumbleApr 13, 2023

@Popehat As someone who likes to play video games now and then, I can attest to the GAMERZ subculture being rotten to the core.

Remember Gamergate, pre-Trump? A lot of them fed the Trump "meme wars" online too.

A hive of scum and villainy.

Show threadML2Apr 13, 2023
@Popehat Oh. I see what you mean XD

So, residents of 4chan's politics and weapons boards?
Show threadML2Apr 13, 2023
@Popehat Also, this reminds me of a YouTube animation making fun of "gamerz".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP9vQTwhleo
Unpopular Gaming Opinion - Gamer Frogs

YouTube
Show threadRon Gilbert (GrumpyGamer)Apr 13, 2023
@Popehat I'm glad you clarified that. I have been making games professionally for 35 years, I have hundred of friends that play games and none of them are shitty people.
Show threadRue CiphervaleApr 13, 2023
@grumpygamer @Popehat there's a pretty sharp and appreciable divide between Game Enjoyers and gamerscum, it's not super ambiguous tbh
Show threadArkenor ☿️Apr 13, 2023
@Popehat Gamergate successfully infiltrated the US military.
Show threadArkenor ☿️Apr 13, 2023
@Popehat They obviously can't afford to expel every single MAGA-pilled lunatic from the military. They'd be horribly understaffed. But they should probably try to not give them access to high level secrets.
Show threadBeeksApr 13, 2023
@Popehat God, guns, and games. Who could have guessed they'd be racist shitheals?
Show threadDoug WarrenApr 13, 2023
@Popehat
"What's the frame rate in HELL, you intolerable antiperson?"
Show threadJeff_the_GeekApr 13, 2023

@Popehat 100%. I play video games almost every day. I play D&D every weekend.

I've known a few "GAMERZ" as you call them. They are toxic a-holes, with or without games. They just use games to express their toxicity.

Show threadErtainApr 13, 2023
@Popehat Pretty much.
Show threadProfessor Emeritus Blake Y RatApr 13, 2023
@Popehat Has anybody done the "we're not garbage racist and sexist assholes, we're just talking about ethics in gaming journalism!" meme/joke yet?
Show threadProfessor Emeritus Blake Y RatApr 13, 2023
@Popehat Sadly I used to talk to a guy like that. He was steaming-mad when Bethesda took over Fallout 3 development. Because they made it 3D? Because they changed the combat system? Nope. Because Bethesda made it impossible to murder children in the game.
Show threadRue CiphervaleApr 13, 2023
@blakeyrat @Popehat I remember that foofaraw! There were *a lot* of bodies on that hill, essentially because the game design placed bumpers on how evil you could be in game and, somehow, MUH FREEDUMBS
Show threadProfessor Emeritus Blake Y RatApr 13, 2023
@palecur @Popehat Well fortunately Bethesda games also have modding and I'm sure NexusMods site has at least a dozen "murder children! also babies! also kittens!" mods on it already.
Show threadRhett DerrickApr 14, 2023

@blakeyrat @Popehat @blakeyrat @Popehat you can sell children into slavery in Fallout 3. You’d think that would scratch their child abuse itch.

I will say however that I think Timmy being turned into a garden gnome in Tranquility Lane without explanation or consistency with how the rest of the scene functions so that there is no child murder is bad game design.

Show threadWraitheApr 17, 2023
@blakeyrat @Popehat
Show threadGenoForPrezApr 13, 2023
@blakeyrat @Popehat God, gamergate really was just a single head attached to the "worst humans on earth" hydra.
Show threadBroken TrolandApr 13, 2023
@Popehat I think of the second group as g*mers.
Show threadhammancheezApr 13, 2023
@Popehat what's kind of hilarious is his League of Legend bros didn't care and would have been far more impressed if he'd uploaded a store of hentai gifs
Show threadGenoForPrezApr 13, 2023
@Popehat He was just a concerned young christian discussing current events with other promising youths on the... *checks notes*... racist memes discord server.
Show threadPotatofoxApr 13, 2023
@Popehat and that's why I'm a furry.
Show threadMxhradApr 13, 2023

@Popehat

Maybe if some of our intelligence agencies actually monitored the cess-pool that is far right internet groups, they'd actually help this country.

Show threadJulian ♪🌻🥥🌴♫Apr 15, 2023
@Mxhrad
Sounds like a logistical problem, if we're talking about gazillions of little "clubs" like this. Also, people are freaking out over the FBI saying that "based" and "redpilled" are potential indicators of right-wing extremism.
@Popehat
Show threadMxhradApr 15, 2023

@TFFPrisoner @Popehat

Then we need more resources to go after these "clubs." These aren't just clubs. They're terrorist breeding grounds. They shouldn't get treated gently or ignored just because the terrorist-sympathizers are whining.

Show threadJulian ♪🌻🥥🌴♫Apr 15, 2023
@Mxhrad @Popehat I don't disagree, but I can't really see it happening.
Show threadMxhradApr 15, 2023
@TFFPrisoner @Popehat Unfortunately, I agree with you here. The far right extremists are actively protected in this country.
Show threadJohn O’DonnellApr 13, 2023
@Popehat
A love of racism AND guns? Well, I’m surprised. After all, you so rarely see them two together.
Show threadConlan SpanglerApr 13, 2023
@Popehat It looks like the info in your screenshot was edited out of the article.
Show threadsortiusApr 13, 2023

@Popehat this is the dumbest, most meaningless, toot I've read so far.

You're trying to 'no true Scotsman this" but it has nothing to do with "GAMERZ" (not a thing), and everything to do with fascism.

The shittiest people are Americans trying to ignore that their whole culture is a broken mess of failure and contradictions

Show threadJonathan HendryApr 13, 2023

@sortius @Popehat

People whose nation is a glass house shouldn't throw stones.

Show threadsortiusApr 13, 2023

@jonhendry @Popehat I like how the replies are just butthurt Americans ignoring what I tooted, and proving how broken their culture is.

I'm happy to critique Australian culture, hell, I can rattle off exactly how Australian culture is broken with no qualms, but we're not forcing our culture on the world.

Show threadJonathan HendryApr 13, 2023

@sortius @Popehat

Where was Murdoch spawned, again?

Show threadsortiusApr 13, 2023

@jonhendry Australia. Yep, he came from here. No problems admitting he came from Australia.

Although, I'm not sure why you think the "I know you are, but what am I?" approach to discourse will work. I mean, I just have to say "mass shootings" and there's little you can come back with.

But, hey, you keep drinking from the American Exceptionalism cup, and we'll keep pitying your country for being such a sad mess of broken people

Show threadWayne SebbensApr 15, 2023
@sortius @Popehat you realise Popehat distinguished between gamers ("those that enjoy playing games") and the toxic subculture that intersects it ("gamerz"), right? They're not being equated.
Show threadsortiusApr 15, 2023

@sebbs @Popehat there's no such thing. It's a meaningless "distinction", and a logical fallacy (the "no true Scotsman" fallacy), that is just a way to make this about gamers, not fascists.

It's like saying there's "people" and "peoplez". Or "gays" and "gayz". Or "Muslims" and "Muslimz". You're still talking about the same people, and trying to link terrible behaviour to a part of someone's identity.

Not buying any of the shit that Popehat is selling.

Show threadWayne SebbensApr 15, 2023
@sortius @Popehat I think we'd both agree that there's shitheads in any group/culture that are not representative of the whole or even majority of the group. To me, that's the distinction Popehat is making. He's not lumping all gamers in or blaming games.