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pmroman@KarenawokeKaren Believe it or not, and using Sweden as an example, I had the exact same exchange with a GOP leader in the 90's.
@pmroman what happened to the post war consensus?!! The Social Contract, Capitalism and all its inequalities survives while we are taxed fairly and the state provides for our welfare needs and infrastructure. Any desire to restore that Contract and there is hysteria about socialism. Though in my corner nothing wrong with Democratic Socialism.
Final Round Player 😷🇪🇺🍸In my corner, nothing wrong with Social Democrats. Not so sure about Democratic Socialism.
@jbond @KarenawokeKaren The post war consensus within a very small number of Western democracies is declining, no doubt.
@jbond @KarenawokeKaren I don't know what democratic socialism is, I am only familiar with social-democracts.
My hope is to transform a capitalist economy to a Socialist one via democratic mechanisms. In the meantime, advocating for state regulations eg Keynsian economics and provisions to mitigate against the harms of an unregulated capitalism. I would settle for social democracy. My main concern is to dismantle the neo liberal orthodoxy that has done so much harm since Reagan n Thatcher era. #Socialist
@KarenawokeKaren @jbond Thanks, if I understand well it is achieving socialism ( collectivisation of means of production) without class war (antithesis) and without ever arriving to the dialectic synthesis (communism). I don't think socialism is possible within a democracy, social-democracy is the closer actionable ideology. Of course, I could be wrong, it won't be the first time.
There's a US-EU divide here. A lot of Europe, and especially France-Germany, Benelux and Scan countries, are Democratic Capitalist with strong social programmes. And calition governments. That's what we think of as social democrat. With a small s and d. This would be seen as centre-left or even hard left in the US. Europe has no desire for Socialism, and Democratic Socialism doesn't make any sense because our old Socialist neighbours were anything but Democratic.
That doesn't seem to be what the US Democratic Socialists want at all. As if European style social democrat coalition government is impossible in the USA. Which it probably is.
The key being that EU Social Democrats are unashamedly Capitalist. There's no attempt or desire to be Socialist.
@jbond @KarenawokeKaren In my experience living in the EU, the most conservative EU party is as much to the left as Sen. Sanders. Rush Limbaugh called me once a "dangerous european socialist" I was not, all I requested was affordable healthcare, free education and a better distribution of wealth, issues upon which there is a general consensus among political parties in the EU for decades. US political parties are far to the right of those in the EU.
@jbond @KarenawokeKaren Socialism is impossible to achieve by democratic means, if we want to preserve democracy, there must be compromise.
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The French had a solution to that in 1792
The French had a solution to that in 1792
Merry ChristmasMaggie Thatcher started the Tories move towards the far right.
Paul Brownjohn@KarenawokeKaren Sadly this is the USA to a T
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