Kamin [they/them]Feb 27, 2023
Ed Bott

Once again, @JuliusGoat has written something worth reading.

"It’s almost gotten to be boring, the degree to which people believe that what they refer to as 'free speech' should not only allow them to say whatever they want (which it does), but should also prevent other people from understanding them to be the sort of person who says those things."

"People like Scott Adams claim they're being silenced. But what they actually seem to object to is being understood."

https://armoxon.substack.com/p/the-case-for-shunning

The Case For Shunning

People like Scott Adams claim they're being silenced. But what they actually seem to object to is being understood.

The Reframe
Feb 26, 2023 at 4:02pmWeb
Show threadNonya Bidniss 🥥🌴Feb 26, 2023
@edbott @JuliusGoat Since the beginning of the Trump MAGA cult through which white supremacists erupted from under their rocks in the millions, I've been saying we need to use ostracization against them throughout society. Shunning them is necessary. And doing it loudly is necessary.
Show threadVoronFeb 26, 2023
@JuliusGoat @edbott it’s a good article, making a logical argument with well substantiated points.
Unfortunately as often happens he is bringing a technical engineering manual of a lawnmower to a competition to sell lawnmowers, whereas the Dilbert guy made a super bowl commercial.
Guess which one will sell more lawn mowers?
🤷‍♂️
Show threadEd BottFeb 26, 2023

@voron @JuliusGoat

OH FFS, do you do nothing but shit on other people's arguments?

Maybe go write something of your own instead.

Show threadVoronFeb 26, 2023
@edbott @JuliusGoat I have, very frequently. On this particular issue it traces back to the three things rhetoric can do politically
1) Rally those who agree to action
2) Sway those who can be convinced to support your position
3) disheartened those who will never agree so they are less likely to act.
-So you have to know your target audience. I’m not sure this will accomplish #2 and it doesn’t do 1 or 3 well.
I find well meaning criticism can cause improvement
Show threadAgnes of the DogsFeb 26, 2023
@edbott @JuliusGoat Amen
Show threadEarthOneFeb 26, 2023
@edbott @JuliusGoat Well said. They get mad when people see them for who they actually are, versus who they want you to believe they are.
Show threadSteve WilliamsFeb 26, 2023
@edbott @JuliusGoat @donmelton What a great article.
Show threadSamCBornFeb 26, 2023
@edbott @JuliusGoat This is a great article!
Show threadDavid H. McCoyFeb 26, 2023

@edbott @JuliusGoat

People like Adams will never appreciate the profound impact that it makes to find out that the artist, who’s work you enjoyed, hates you for no reason, but your skin color(and incredible insecurity. Ok, two reasons).

I liked the work of Dean Cain or say, Kevin Sorbo.

People like Adams want to be seen as good people despite doing objectively bad things.

It’s actually quite fascinating.

Show threadAprilFeb 26, 2023
@edbott @JuliusGoat I could not agree more!
Show threadRich Stein (he/him)Feb 26, 2023

@edbott @JuliusGoat Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is another smart writer. Wish he was on this site, but his substack never fails to enlighten and entertain. https://kareem.substack.com/p/hannity-and-carlson-admit-lying-to

A lot in this one--DeSantis, Fox News, New York Times, TV criticism...

Hannity and Carlson Admit Lying to Audience (Then Try to Fire Fact-Checker), DeSantis Hires Sexist Educator, NYT Writers Protest, Roald Dahl Gets Sanitized, Roberto Clemente Bio Banned, and More

My thoughts on the top--and top-ish--stories in this week's political, sports, and pop culture news.

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Show threadSue CohenFeb 27, 2023
@edbott @JuliusGoat
He did & now has!
Show threadGrandpa DonFeb 27, 2023
@edbott @JuliusGoat
I don't want to silence him. He can say whatever shit he wants, just as I can. And I can not look at his cartoons because they are no longer appealing to me. Just like I no longer want to see Top Gun again because Tom Cruise gives me the creeps now. Same with Jon Voight movies. This is MY freedom they can go suck eggs.
Show threadJonathanFeb 27, 2023

@edbott @JuliusGoat
Holy cow, this is amazing! So many great quotes, but I have to go with:

"That you should be able to hold onto your income stream after advocating a racially separatist state, as if being a racist fuckwit puts you in a protected class."

Show threadmarktaylorFeb 27, 2023
@edbott @JuliusGoat MAGAS want the right to be racist and shoot people they don’t like. They are going to use whatever twisted logic they can on existing constitutional laws. Doesn’t mean they are right though.
Show threadNicole ParsonsFeb 27, 2023

@edbott @JuliusGoat

Racists want to define reality and impose it on others.

It's authoritarianism.

Show threadGiraffe Slava 🇺🇸🇺🇦Feb 27, 2023
@edbott @JuliusGoat I am emphatically against “cancelling” people for making a foolish thoughtless remark or joke or even an intentional one for which they feel remorse. Shunning people for simply falling outside the lines of orthodoxy is nuts. But shunning someone like Scott Adams who consistently supports fascists like Trump is fine with me.