As most of you know, our library is being sued by 4 corporate publishers who want to stop the Internet Archive from lending books. The date for oral argument has just been set for March 20.

What's at stake? Lia Holland from @team elaborates: https://www.fightforthefuture.org/news/2023-02-23-statement-major-decision-on-libraries-digital-rights-a-step-closer-on-march-20

Statement: Major Decision on Libraries’ Digital Rights A Step Closer on March 20

Judge John G. Koeltl of the Southern District of New York has set March 20, 2023 as the date for oral arguments in four major publishers’ lawsuit against the Internet Archive’s digital library. The following statement can be attributed to Lia Holland (they/she), Campaigns and Communications Director at Fight for the Future: We’re eagerly awaiting […]

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@internetarchive @team The Problem is that copyright is completely screwed up, and is not a limited time as originally intended. Copyright can be mostly fixed with a couple changes. Copyright renewal should not be automatic. The copyright law in effect when a copyright was first issued should determine when a work enters the public domain. Heirs and estates should only have copyright on original works as copyrighted, not derivative works. Last, public performance should be fair use after 28 years ( the original maximum length of a copyright) #copyright #fairuse #publicdomain #copyrightlaw

@PirateRoberts @internetarchive @team I'd be inclined to say that the basis #copyright uses to justify its existence is fundamentally flawed and that it has no place existing.

Unfortunately I don't have a good transcript handy, but this youtuber's two-video series makes for fairly good general idea: https://www.youtube.com/@Patricia_Taxxon/search?query=The%20Golden%20Calf

#AbolishCopyright

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@lispi314 @internetarchive @team Copyright should not be abolished. Copyright is a good and necessary thing, it just needs to go back to a flat 28 years. If copyright didn’t exist, the creator would have complete control of works, which is why copyright was created.

@PirateRoberts Why is it good or necessary?

Remuneration of creation or funding of the arts can be done by other ways that do not imply to mind control and limit those exposed to your arts & creations, nor nonsensically apply ownership to ideas.

By that I'm referring to everything being derivative art. Because yes, humans get inspired by what they know and remix it, that's a thing. Copyright turns all art into cognitohazards for as long as it is active over a given work.

@PirateRoberts As for that complete control? No, the only way to have such complete control is to simply never publish nor share your art.

Which well, feel free to do so I guess? I can perfectly well imagine someone writing or painting solely for their own satisfaction with no intent to share the result.

That part on remuneration by the way was in the second Golden Calf video.

@PirateRoberts @internetarchive @team

Congratulations for realising this. Now try and figure out how to get the 190-odd nations who signed the Berne Convention which governs *international* copyright law to simultaneously adopt a new treaty regulating copyright!

(Bear in mind, also, that translations are derivative works. And what about "public performance" of, say, plays or film scripts written by individual people? The devil is in the details!)

@PirateRoberts you need the copyright to apply on derivative works (as far as it uses the original work, as it's now). We are surrounded by derivative works!

It makes no sense that the heirs would hold the copyright of a book if it's verbatim but that there was none for that very same book prepended with a Prologue.

(We could shorten the p.m.a. copyright term, but that's a different issue)

@internetarchive @team @lispi314 @bufalo1973 @cstross

@platonides @internetarchive @team @lispi314 @bufalo1973 @cstross The heirs and estates didn’t write the works. They shouldn’t really have copyright over the works at all, or at least not beyond the expiration of the most recent copyright renewal.

@PirateRoberts

Fair enough, but that's quite a different proposal than letting them keep the copyright but not applying on derivative works.

@internetarchive @team @lispi314 @bufalo1973 @cstross

@internetarchive @team we have a technical solution for you, we’re even ready to do the development work for you for free, just give us 15 minutes with your CTO.
@Madagascar_Sky @internetarchive @team @neilhimself Afraid to say I'm about 70% on the side of the publishers on this, and 30% with the internet archive. Nobody's covered themselves in glory, though.

@cstross @Madagascar_Sky @internetarchive @team @neilhimself then a few posts down you find out who owns the publishers and this is just a pot calling the kettle black.

P.s. real leftists know IP laws should be scrapped entirely.

@MaMotta @cstross @Madagascar_Sky @internetarchive @team @neilhimself Apparently "real leftists"know that temporary property rights for workers who create something by their own labor is inferior morally to real-estate titles because of something or another.
@vy @cstross @Madagascar_Sky @internetarchive @team @neilhimself lol that response was so half hearted it's like half way through writing it you realized I was right but still wanted to argue. Real-estate titles lmao. the war and pharmaceutical industries aren't something to worry about AT ALL not even worth a mention.
@vy @cstross @Madagascar_Sky @internetarchive @team @neilhimself Oh sorry I didn't realize you just must be one of those neo-lib fascists or something? The Illusion of "temporary property rights" for creatives is a pivotal lynch pin in keeping this economical charade afloat. Can't let the plebs figure that one out right?
@MaMotta @cstross @Madagascar_Sky @internetarchive @team @neilhimself you outed me. As long as Charlie Stross collects royalties our system of exploitation will continue to grind down the Real Leftists and keep neo liberaling and stuff. Can’t fool you. The plebs are so lucky to have such farsighted revolutionary commissars
@MaMotta @Madagascar_Sky @internetarchive @team @neilhimself What I hear from @vy can be summarized by this meme:
@cstross @MaMotta @Madagascar_Sky @internetarchive @team @neilhimself c
Fair enough. I also think royalties are a hard earned labor right like over-time pay or pensions and am not impressed with "real leftists" who want to donate that value to Murdoch.
@vy @cstross @Madagascar_Sky @internetarchive @team @neilhimself with out IP laws murdoch has nothing to sell. IP laws are what's keeping money in his pocket.
@MaMotta @cstross @Madagascar_Sky @internetarchive @team @neilhimself So true. Before neoliberals like Mark Twain and Charles Dickens got authors copyright protection, publishers were in it only to serve the masses and you know be revolutionary. No wonder I never earned a "real leftist" merit badge.
@vy @cstross @Madagascar_Sky @internetarchive @team @neilhimself yeah 100% a couple of rich white male Fantasy Authors of the 1800's were definitely the entire reason those laws were written and they still persist today when self publishing is an impossible task.
@MaMotta @vy @Madagascar_Sky @internetarchive @team @neilhimself Go look into Victor Hugo and the history of copyright, then. Don't worry, I'll wait for you. (Meanwhile, publishing corporations as we know them today didn't exist back then: it was printers ripping off each others' most commercially successful output, and authors paying for print runs out of pocket. Which is where you get the rich white male authors thing from: nobody else could afford to publish.)
@cstross @vy @Madagascar_Sky @internetarchive @team @neilhimself Amazing! So you're telling me they climbed the ladder and now want to yank it up so no one else can? Where have I heard that before?
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Good luck y'all. This librarian of the physical plane is rooting for you.
@internetarchive @team if companies could, they would take the memories of thier thing out of your head
@internetarchive @team Just donated! Thanks for fighting the good fight ✨✨✨

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I looked up to see who was doing this. AFAICT, these are the companies:

* Hachette Book Group Inc. (owned by Lagardère Group).

* HarperCollins Publishers LLC. (owned by News Corp, aka Murdoch).

* John Wiley & Sons Inc. (NYSE:WLY, major holders Vanguard, Blackrock, etc).

* Penguin Random House LLC (Germany, privately held by Bertelsmann)

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iirc internetarchive loans books to places where they are banned.

this is a pretty big issue.

@internetarchive I support you and wish you success in this court case but I'm unwilling to share this article, because Lia from @team resorts to the same divisive rhetoric and name-calling that the authors' and publishers associations do to the IA. This space needs more listening and healing, not more incendiary speech.
@internetarchive @team I have to ask, when you started making the books in question available for lending, did you follow the proper library procedures, whatever they happen to be?

@internetarchive @team

I agree entirely with the aims of the Internet Archive and libraries in general.

Having read this statement, I do wonder if the focus on the "greedy maw of Big Publishing" might not be counter-productive in a society (seen from the UK anyway) which seems to prioritise money/wealth over just about everything else.

I'm only an outsider looking in, but having had retrospective restrictions placed on my ebooks (I still have a number I've bought and can no longer (...)

@internetarchive @team read) three times now over the years, this fight is very important.

Maybe more emphasis on freedom, public good, restrictive practices, lack of/rights of ownership (contrasting with the law relating to paid-for physical books etc) and less on the monetary implications of book lending might be good. There are also authors and even publishers who insist that their books not have DRM restrictions etc. Perhaps they could also be persuade to support the fight?

Proud supporter of @internetarchive here! Will be following this for sure …

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@internetarchive @team Love you guys. Can't recommend you enough!
@internetarchive @team I'm not in the US but this is important for everyone.