internetarchiveFeb 23, 2023

As most of you know, our library is being sued by 4 corporate publishers who want to stop the Internet Archive from lending books. The date for oral argument has just been set for March 20.

What's at stake? Lia Holland from @team elaborates: https://www.fightforthefuture.org/news/2023-02-23-statement-major-decision-on-libraries-digital-rights-a-step-closer-on-march-20

Statement: Major Decision on Libraries’ Digital Rights A Step Closer on March 20

Judge John G. Koeltl of the Southern District of New York has set March 20, 2023 as the date for oral arguments in four major publishers’ lawsuit against the Internet Archive’s digital library. The following statement can be attributed to Lia Holland (they/she), Campaigns and Communications Director at Fight for the Future: We’re eagerly awaiting […]

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Show threadMadagascar_SkyFeb 24, 2023

@internetarchive @team

@cstross @neilhimself

Show threadCharlie StrossFeb 24, 2023
@Madagascar_Sky @internetarchive @team @neilhimself Afraid to say I'm about 70% on the side of the publishers on this, and 30% with the internet archive. Nobody's covered themselves in glory, though.
Show threadMadison MottaFeb 25, 2023

@cstross @Madagascar_Sky @internetarchive @team @neilhimself then a few posts down you find out who owns the publishers and this is just a pot calling the kettle black.

P.s. real leftists know IP laws should be scrapped entirely.

Show threadvyFeb 26, 2023
@MaMotta @cstross @Madagascar_Sky @internetarchive @team @neilhimself Apparently "real leftists"know that temporary property rights for workers who create something by their own labor is inferior morally to real-estate titles because of something or another.
Show threadMadison MottaFeb 26, 2023
@vy @cstross @Madagascar_Sky @internetarchive @team @neilhimself lol that response was so half hearted it's like half way through writing it you realized I was right but still wanted to argue. Real-estate titles lmao. the war and pharmaceutical industries aren't something to worry about AT ALL not even worth a mention.
Show threadvyFeb 26, 2023
@MaMotta @cstross @Madagascar_Sky @internetarchive @team @neilhimself nope.
Show threadMadison Motta
@vy @cstross @Madagascar_Sky @internetarchive @team @neilhimself Oh sorry I didn't realize you just must be one of those neo-lib fascists or something? The Illusion of "temporary property rights" for creatives is a pivotal lynch pin in keeping this economical charade afloat. Can't let the plebs figure that one out right?
Feb 26, 2023 at 8:30amWeb
Show threadvyFeb 26, 2023
@MaMotta @cstross @Madagascar_Sky @internetarchive @team @neilhimself you outed me. As long as Charlie Stross collects royalties our system of exploitation will continue to grind down the Real Leftists and keep neo liberaling and stuff. Can’t fool you. The plebs are so lucky to have such farsighted revolutionary commissars
Show threadCharlie StrossFeb 26, 2023
@MaMotta @Madagascar_Sky @internetarchive @team @neilhimself What I hear from @vy can be summarized by this meme:
Show threadvyFeb 26, 2023
@cstross @MaMotta @Madagascar_Sky @internetarchive @team @neilhimself c
Fair enough. I also think royalties are a hard earned labor right like over-time pay or pensions and am not impressed with "real leftists" who want to donate that value to Murdoch.
Show threadMadison MottaFeb 26, 2023
@vy @cstross @Madagascar_Sky @internetarchive @team @neilhimself with out IP laws murdoch has nothing to sell. IP laws are what's keeping money in his pocket.
Show threadvyFeb 26, 2023
@MaMotta @cstross @Madagascar_Sky @internetarchive @team @neilhimself So true. Before neoliberals like Mark Twain and Charles Dickens got authors copyright protection, publishers were in it only to serve the masses and you know be revolutionary. No wonder I never earned a "real leftist" merit badge.
Show threadMadison MottaFeb 26, 2023
@vy @cstross @Madagascar_Sky @internetarchive @team @neilhimself yeah 100% a couple of rich white male Fantasy Authors of the 1800's were definitely the entire reason those laws were written and they still persist today when self publishing is an impossible task.
Show threadCharlie StrossFeb 26, 2023
@MaMotta @vy @Madagascar_Sky @internetarchive @team @neilhimself Go look into Victor Hugo and the history of copyright, then. Don't worry, I'll wait for you. (Meanwhile, publishing corporations as we know them today didn't exist back then: it was printers ripping off each others' most commercially successful output, and authors paying for print runs out of pocket. Which is where you get the rich white male authors thing from: nobody else could afford to publish.)
Show threadMadison MottaFeb 26, 2023
@cstross @vy @Madagascar_Sky @internetarchive @team @neilhimself Amazing! So you're telling me they climbed the ladder and now want to yank it up so no one else can? Where have I heard that before?