Dear non-trans allies:

"I can't talk for the trans community" is a good answer made better when it's followed by "but I support them fully and fight by their side for their rights".

Your silence or ambivalence in this trying times is seen as support by our detractors.

@rebeccafinn Absolutely this.

I'm not trans, but I don't need to be. They exist and they need my help. I don't have their language, but I use mine to the best of my ability.

Paradox of tolerance - Wikipedia

@Bene yes, I know it already.
How does it relate to my toot?

@rebeccafinn beeing silent I your example, is showing tolerance to the intolerant. Kind of what you said, but with a Wikipedia article.

If the concept is unknown, people tend to keep their voice down, not supporting people or https groups that need it.

Justed wanted to give some input

@Bene in my very humble experience, they think that not supporting the intolerant is enough.
Happens to be the same that other minorities report finding, with phrases like "I'm not racist", when what we need now is more people saying "I'm anti-racist" (and acting accordingly).

@rebeccafinn I'm having a hard time finding the correct word's at the moment... Sry if you got me wrong.

I support what you said. When I hear sh*t talk about minorities, I tried to stand up against it. I think, it's often a deficit in information.

@Bene @rebeccafinn

Honestly, the paradox of tolerance goes both ways. The extreme intolerance against potential allies who do not demonstrate "perfect" allyship in the precise way that one (or more) transactivist demands, as well as attacks on anyone who dares to critique some of the conduct of said activists, in turn makes those activists subject to rightful intolerance by otherwise tolerant people.

Skewing the responsibility of tolerance to one side is, itself, intolerant.

@VividConfusion
I was taught that the right response to someone giving me points to change or improve my advocacy was to introspect, not remove my support from them.
Are you dismissing a call to action against people who threaten the existence of a minority over the fact that some of them are not perfect in their response to you?
I am failing to follow the logic here.

@rebeccafinn

This is exactly what I was referencing. My response was not 'the right response' according to you. So, you've accused me of "dismissing a call to action against people who threaten the existence" of transgender people.

No matter what tolerance or wholehearted acceptance someone has of transgender people in general, they are still targeted by *some* transactivists for not agreeing w/their methods. Any criticism of misconduct by those activists is immediately met with attack.

@VividConfusion have I attacked you? How?

@rebeccafinn

See what you accused me of.

@VividConfusion your point seems to me to lead to the dismissal of a group's call to action because some of them didn't act like you expected. And then I asked you to clarify your logic.
Where is the part where you would say I accused you of something?

@rebeccafinn

The part where you claim I'm talking about transgender people as a group.

I'm taking about toxic behavior by *some* transactivist. Their attacks & accusations against allies who do not conform to what those activists demand. Their intolerance of any criticism of their toxic behavior. And their lack of tolerance for differences in how allyship is presented by different people.

In short, *some* transactivists are so wholly intolerant that they themselves should not be tolerated.

@VividConfusion
My question is if this is grounds for dismissal of our calls for others to voice their support us?
Your responses so far seem to support this (added here for context).
@rebeccafinn I responded to the comment about the paradox of tolerance, and the seeming demands that people show support only in ways you dictate.
@VividConfusion let's post my original post here.
Which part demands anything?
@VividConfusion
Maybe it was this other one, where I stated that not being racist isn't enough, that we all are expected to be anti-racist?

@rebeccafinn

Okay, now you are clearly being intentionally obtuse, distorting and misrepresenting everything I've written.

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you honestly couldn't see where you were missing the point I was making. Now it's clear you are just giving a great example of that toxicity to which I was referring.

Thanks for the proof of my point.

Have a good night.

@rebeccafinn

Demanding that people "speak up" and then attacking people for how they do it is one example of the toxicity I was referencing. Objecting to people who remain silent, though supportive, when they get attacked for speaking up, is another. For many allies, it's turned into a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. And the intolerance and toxicity of the transactivists attacking them for it is still tolerated. It shouldn't be.

@VividConfusion I'll disengage now, you keep coming back to feeling attacked.
None of what's been exchanged here has attacked you, there's been zero hostility in my responses.
Yet, alas, this isn't enough.
If my call to show vocal support isn't for you, then it isn't for you.
This isn't about you.
Be well.

@rebeccafinn

My point is that the intolerance of some transactivists against even those who are allies for not conforming with their concept or for daring to disagree with behavior or views on allyship, is itself justifiably met with intolerance from tolerant people. The tolerance paradox.

You can't expect tolerance of someone and give none yourself.

@rebeccafinn as a β€œyes, and” in case folks find it useful:

Detractors have weaponized some of that β€œwell it’s not happening to you, so your perspective is invalid” + accuse folks of white-knighting or scoring social justice/β€œwoke” points.

They want you to doubt your position/knowledge and eliminate any chance at solidarity. Don’t let them.

@rebeccafinn
I am trans but a I can't talk for the trans community, only for myself, and I had and still have plenty of problems, even though I live in a civil country like The Netherlands.

I hope more people will support LGBTQIA+.