Hrefna (DHC)

What if instead of opting _out_ of content and #federation (fediblock), instances had to opt _in_ to content and federation?

What I mean by that:

* Instead of "things appear in the federated timeline by default" it is "only servers that have been reviewed show up in the fedderated timeline."

* Instead of "follow requests require review if coming from a silenced server" it would be "non-mutual follow requests require review unless coming from a reviewed server."

#ActivityPub #SafErFediverse

Feb 20, 2023 at 10:52amWeb
Show threadAarkonFeb 20, 2023
@hrefna I don’t hold a strong opinion on this matter, and I see the benefits. On the other hand, I suspect that this would be a step towards a state email already is in today - in which due to spam, the majority of providers will just drop everything from servers they don’t already know as being trustworthy, effectively making it very hard for competitors to enter the market and practically impossible/useless to host your own server.
Honestly, I’ve no idea what would work better.
Show threadmariusFeb 20, 2023

@hrefna this is the way I plan to implement federation in my projects. The discussion platform #brutalinks requires explicit following other instances by admins in order for their posts to get pulled into the local timeline.

I achieved this by having every instance have a corresponding activitypub actor, and the "federated" part is done by explicitly follow/accept-ing from other instance actors.

Show threadSebastian LasseFeb 20, 2023

@hrefna

Yes!
A similar concept had been described by Cristina DeLisle @redchrision

She said
“so when you as an admin were peering with another instance you are showing your set of values, and if that other instance believes that they are sharing those values, that instance can peer with you”

/ @edsu

Show threadCristina DeLisleFeb 21, 2023
@rra @sl007 @hrefna @edsu Thanks for sharing this! It's indeed a very welcomed feature for making an AP implementation be more privacy friendly for users. It should be by default present in all if possible by their design, imo. Congrats peertube !
Show threadSebastian LasseFeb 22, 2023

@redchrision @rra @hrefna @edsu

Yes. Thank you peertube.

Sometimes things just take a long time ;)
I am currently super-happy about my broadcaster ZDF. Will quote / discuss the idea early and spam you about the meetings anyway then :)

  https://www.publicmediaalliance.org/public-broadcasters-create-public-spaces-incubator/
[DE] https://netzpolitik.org/2023/neues-aus-dem-fernsehrat-95-fragen-und-antworten-zum-public-spaces-incubator-des-zdf/

Public broadcasters create "Public Spaces Incubator" - Public Media Alliance

Four public broadcasters are partnering to develop solutions to address increasingly toxic, polarized and unsafe online discourse.

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Show threadyawnboxFeb 20, 2023

@hrefna the new form of age verification huh, what could go wrong

but seriously what great way to centralize power in a federated network

Show threadmike_hales 💔*!?¿*Feb 20, 2023
@hrefna
Interesting proposition. Begins to make a federation more like a commons, less like a free market. Any step away from those libertarian individualist orientations towards mutualism is welcome?
Show threadHelgeFeb 20, 2023

Just a small language matter. I think:

What if instead of opting out of content and #federation (fediblock), instances COULD CHOOSE to opt in to content and federation?

works much better in my mental model how the "FediVerse" should function. This type of behavior doesn't need to be universal.