The rich don’t spend the money they have, and the poor don’t have money to spend.

This is a problem when 70% of the economy relies on consumer spending.

Closing our staggering wealth gap isn’t just the right thing to do. It’s essential to save our economy from collapse.

@rbreich What if the rich were just forced to spend the money? Forced trickle down? Would trickle down actually work then?
@brokenneon @rbreich
You mean like higher marginal tax rates and a wealth tax? I'm unaware of any other legal scheme to disgorge hoarded wealth.

@joeinwynnewood @rbreich Spend it or lose it to taxes.

Mostly I'm being flippant. The wealthy own the courts at this point, so what can really be done?

@brokenneon @rbreich
I'm not sure they do, but even if they do, it's Congress and state legislatures that handle taxation.
Granted the courts matter for voting rights & election law, so heavily gerrymandered, vote suppressing red states are a really big problem.
Still, in a lot of the country & for Congress voting remains a viable avenue to fixing the problem.
@brokenneon @rbreich I think that even if that were possible (outside taxes to some extent) what complicates it is the way wealthy have money. It can be very difficult for the government to exactly assess a persons worth, when most of the wealth is bound up in real estate, stock, off shore accounts, tax haven investments, gold, family ā€œgiftsā€ etc.
While most of it can be counted it’s difficult to do on a scale and makes it tricky to legislate on amounts.

@nathanlonghair @rbreich I’m being flippant. Trickle down as an economic model is nonsense and always has been.

My point was that if you can actually find all of their wealth, perhaps you can give them a choice — spend it or we’ll spend it for you. Would that more politically palatable than ā€œwe’ll spend it for you?ā€

The cynic in me says nothing will happen, because the wealthy have already bent all tax law in their favor and bought the courts and politicians to protect it.

@brokenneon @rbreich taxing the wealthy at fair -higher- rates actually strongly encourages them to spend money in pretax, tax deferred, and tax deductible investments as way to reduce what they'd would pay in taxes without said investments.

So - a minor and rather simplistic example:

A very wealthy person compensates himself very well from his business. Taxes on the wealthy are then significantly increased from their unjustly low rates of today.

The business owner, in order to v lower what he's paying in the new tax structure, then invests in his business rather than pay himself an obnoxiously high salary as a method of lessening how much he's paying in taxes.

The business then grows from that self investment while putting money back into the economy.

In the end, it's a win-win. The business grows due to the self investment and therefore the business owner is actually worth *more* than if he paid himself an obnoxiously high salary.

@rbreich
I referenced this dynamic when arguing for the need to raise top marginal tax rates with a wealthy relative who is both pretty conservative & loves to argue. I was expecting a battle royal, but he just nodded and said that makes sense.
@rbreich …and so it goes in the UK too. The disease is spreading. The difference between 1920 and now is that the ultra wealthy are pan-national and have a basket of economes to rape and pillage. Once they have crushed the economies of enough countries, the depression will render the 1920’s event almost insignificant.

@rbreich Yes, I've been learning recently how the wealthy don't pay their bills. Musk highlighted it, but I've heard about landscapers who won't engage with projects costing over $1m because people with that much money tend not to pay them.

Companies do it too. Instead of paying for what they are buying, they pay their outstanding bill to be about to order more things.

@GwynHannay @rbreich

According to the maxim.

If you owe the bank 100 $ it's your problem.
If you owe the bank 1,000,000 $ it's their problem.

@antipode77 @rbreich Yep, I heard that one when Trump was president and it came out how much money he owes. šŸ˜›
@GwynHannay @rbreich reminds me how some celebrities get everything for free when they can easily pay. Yet someone not far away can’t pay for their next meal.

@rbreich Great vid. I have long had a related question for economists…

I am familiar with the disconnect between median incomes and productivity. What I always wonder about is that some or much of that labor productivity is the result of investment by the laborers: money and opportunity cost spent on education, smartphone plans, healthcare, etc.

If these are taken into account it seems that the the picture could be even worse than we see here, with the after-investment median income growth negative, and the benefit going straight to the owners.

This seems like something that economists could and should quantify, but I’ve never found this issue addressed with data.

@rbreich I thought this was Hide the Pain Harold
@rbreich When you've bought everything, there's nothing left to spend money on.

@rbreich Every dollar in the "Wall Street" system is a dollar no longer in the economy.

This is why the feds keep issuing debt, because if they didn't, the rich would have taken every dollar that has ever existed.

The fact that all of that money can disappear in an instant? We're cursed - too many generations away from 1929, just like we're too many generations away from polio and measles before the vaccines.

they're both against the safety tools because they forgot why we made them.

@jwsgeek @rbreich

Yes.

Effectively there are 2 economies.
. Main Street - Ever less money is circulating here.
. Wall Street - Ever more money is circulating here.

The 2 economies are separated from each other. Their indicators don't match with each other.

I consider the Wall Street economy to be a parasite living off its host the Main Street economy.

Once it has killed Main Street then it has killed its host and guess what ?

@rbreich

Money is like blood. Cut the blood supply off and limbs die off.

Communities die when money does not circulate sufficiently locally.

@rbreich as long as the Poor's could have a house to sell, why should the rich invest their money in bringing balance into the system?

By the way: why should someone own more than two homes anyway?

@rbreich @dr_jo_mue learned this year after not getting a tax refund, if you want write offs, you buy houses

I don’t wanna play these games

@Luci_brennacolleen @rbreich exactly.

All houses are paid within 15 years.

Privately owned houses: by the owner with all his expendables, to own in the end -in fact: a house

Investor owned houses: by the tennant with his (slightly lower) rental fee, thus generating the owner a revenue through massive write-offs, which only commercially owned properties provide. Leaving the tennant in the end with nothing and the investor... With a house. Horray.

That has to stop.

@rbreich the flow of money in the USA for the last 100 years or so is nicely documented in the 2011 documentary The Flaw.

The conclusions at the end are very similar to your comments.

@rbreich Indeed. In a consumption based society, it's in everybody's interest to ensure everyone has money to spend. Making the poor poorer seems dumb. The rich have everything they want, the poor don't.