Jon S. von TetzchnerHave you tried the @Vivaldi?
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FlorianTischner@FlorianTischner @jakub @Vivaldi, interesting.
Maybe you should give us a try. You just might be positively surprised. 😀
@jon @jakub @Vivaldi I really don't want to be read as confrontational or dismissive of your work, but there's little there to entice me to switch from Firefox with an ad-blocking add-on.
You're distributing it as closed source software and are a commercial enterprise. It's unclear to me how you make money from me installing it (and you have to make money from me installing it in a capitalist society). This unclear business-model is enough to turn me away.
@jon @jakub @Vivaldi The web taught me that if I'm not paying for the product I /am/ the product.
Again, this is not meant to be a dig at you or your product. For all I know the browser is great and from the work you've been doing in the public during the last decades you're a trustworthy guy. But the presentation leaves open questions for a security-minded/paranoid reader.
@FlorianTischner @jakub @Vivaldi
I get you. I am very angry about surveillance economy and we have been very clear about that at Vivaldi as well. Feel free to read about it here:
https://vivaldi.com/blog/its-time-to-ban-surveillance-based-advertising/
I understand why you are skeptical, but you may be backing the wrong horse. We have a long history here, both at Opera and now Vivaldi. We have been true to our word. In fact the reason for Vivaldi existing is to be true to our users. Those we had at Opera.
@FlorianTischner @jakub @Vivaldi, now this is interesting.
We are actually very clear on our business model:
https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-business-model/
It is similar to the business model of Mozilla, but Mozilla corporation makes a lot more money than we do. More than $400 million.
We are a small company trying to do the right thing. We do not have outside investors. We focus on building great software and we try to do the right thing with regards to our users.
Cymaphore@FlorianTischner I bought a T-shirt last year from them, hoping, it will help reducing their dependency on other sources of income :-) .........
Would buy ten more of them if they would make it open source - or at least continue to stay out of the "selling your users" business.
@jon @jakub @Vivaldi
@cymaphore @FlorianTischner @jakub @Vivaldi
Thank you for that. I think you will find that our business model is very clean. It is described here:
https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-business-model/
We are very clear on what we think about the surveillance economy as well:
https://vivaldi.com/blog/its-time-to-ban-surveillance-based-advertising/
Our code is mostly fully open and at least readable. We have considered taking the last couple of steps, but it is a big decision.
@jon Didn't want to imply that it isn't. Just wanted to express that I hope it remains clean.
@FlorianTischner @jakub @Vivaldi
@FlorianTischner @jakub @Vivaldi
@cymaphore @FlorianTischner @jakub @Vivaldi
We kept clean during my 17 years at Opera and Vivaldi is almost 10 years old as well, although it feels like we are very young.
We understand that we have to continue to prove that we can be trusted.