BIG NEWS: #TyreNichols’ murder reminds us that #police traffic stops can turn deadly. 400 unarmed drivers killed in 5 years.

I'm introducing the "Safer Traffic Stops Act". It would pay local governments to transfer traffic enforcement from armed police officers to cameras or civilians.

@RitchieTorres That won't help, because armed drug dealers will still be found by civilians - and may still turn deadly.

@alpha1beta But why would armed drug dealers kill anyone over a traffic ticket?

The reason traffic stops turn deadly is because we use them as a pretext for cops to catch more serious criminals. But if it was just a ticket and not a warrant check, roadside search, and other investigations; nobody would care.

As usual, the solutions we’ve been doing cause the biggest problems we face; including how The War on Drugs makes every problem associated with drugs far worse.

@biobrain Because folks who are armed and dangerous and they're forced to ID themselves.

For anyone with anything illegal it'll set off fight/flight.

And to any decent cop, you're going to look much closer if they have a record.

These folks are criminal masterminds, they're drugs are typically in plain sight. The second they see flashing lights they know they're going to ail, and they have seconds to decide what to do

@alpha1beta Everything you're describing is caused by the current system and the scenario you gave would get an armed cop killed the same as a civilian since guns can't stop bullets.

Imagine if criminals knew that cops wouldn't check their record or arrest them even if drugs were in plain site? Why would they risk life in prison or execution over a $100 speeding ticket or expired tags?

Again, our solutions are causing the biggest problems; including the War on Drugs itself.

@biobrain You're also making the assumption that its just minor little tickets and not reckless driving or actions that critically endanger people's lives or that a cop doesn't pull someone over because they see something while they're say returning from another call. What are they supposed to do, call a civilian while a drunk driver continues on?

I get your point. One of my favorite cities in the world (Ithaca, NY) has been trying to do something similar. But it's not that simple.

@biobrain This article has a write up on how Ithaca is proposing to divide duties, missing one that I know was previously mentioned - car accidents would be civilian + EMS as needed. Traffic generally could be handled by both.

https://ithacavoice.com/2022/03/city-introduces-long-awaited-plans-for-department-of-community-safety-in-sweeping-recommendations-report/

City introduces long-awaited plans for Department of Community Safety in sweeping recommendations report

Ithaca Voice reporter Jimmy Jordan contributed reporting to this article. ITHACA, N.Y.—More than a year after the Reimagining Public Safety process was jumpstarted with much fanfare, the city can finally lay its eyes on concrete ideas for the future of policing in Ithaca. The City of Ithaca published its final recommendations report on implementing the […]

The Ithaca Voice
@alpha1beta That sounds good. So why are you opposing such a system on a national level?

@biobrain I'm not generally opposed to it, but there's no way to implement it without causing more harm in the short term.

This plan wouldn't meet your needs, really, cops are still going to be the primary for traffic - their only planning to hire 5 civilians. Honestly, you'd probably be better off telling the cops to put their gun in the trunk instead of their belt.

@alpha1beta @biobrain Michael - you seem to be trying to stop drug dealers with traffic stops. I think this bill is about separating the two issues. I would guess most people speeding or running a stop sign are not drug dealers. This bill proposes that be automated by cameras. Police can still find drug dealers - possibly at their place of work. I'd argue that they'd find more drug dealers at the drug deal.

@the_ray_archie @alpha1beta @biobrain great response. Without getting into motives, the police community insists on the traffic stops to prevent all other sorts of crime, when in reality it’s the equivalent of finding a needle in a stack of other needles.

If law enforcement stops 100 cars, and 1 of them had drugs, is that a win for the community? Will we pretend that there aren’t other ways to find 1 drug dealer? Will we pretend that stopping 99 innocent people doesn’t have its own cost?

@mannsworld @alpha1beta @biobrain Exactly. I reported a "drug store" recently and was pleasantly surprised to see an increased police presence which resulted in a 2 month shut down (and no shots fired)

Accuracy, diligence, accountability... we can do better and improve the system.

@the_ray_archie That's a awesome story. You must have provided a great tip for them to be able to act on it.

@alpha1beta lol. When I go fishing, I don't troll. I look for the birds, read my radar, and read the water. "Fish where the fish are" is the saying. =)

As for my tip... I like safe neighborhoods and we all do our part.

@the_ray_archie I wasn't trying to be sarcastic or anything - that's a really good story and tip. Truly impressive both that you were able to give them actionable info and that they did something about it.
I've called in the occasional tip (my office pre-pandemic looked out on a liquor store that has a ton of drug deals) and I don't think I ever saw a reaction other than send a bike cop that way for an hour.
@mannsworld There needs to be a distinction between a minor violation such as a tail like out, and a felony stop because someone is clearly under the influence or extremely reckless. Will a tail light stop result in a drug arrest? Rarely, really just pure odds. Most of what I see in my area is people who can't maintain a lane getting stopped and finding all kinds of "goodies" - removing a dangerous person and finding out there's more. A camera or civilian aren't doing to fix those.