Jonah SteinFeb 4, 2023

@socks SpamHaus is one of many email blacklists which contain names of mailservers (domain names) that allow email Spam. Many (most) other mail servers block them.

It is not uncommon for a company mail server to get added to these list and many companies spend a significant effort to be removed. If they don't, you likely won't be able to receive messages sent from their domain.

Show threadocdtrekkieFeb 6, 2023
@jonahstein @[email protected] Spamhaus is basically why it's near impossible to run your own email server and have to rely on a centralized provider: Jumping through all the hoops other servers require feels too hard. Spamhaus is exactly the model we should reject if we want decentralization.
Show threadJim JonesFeb 6, 2023
@ocdtrekkie @jonahstein @[email protected] gmail.com and outlook.com are rife with spam and neither is blocked because most of the email in the world either starts on those platforms or ends on them.
Show threadfatwelshbuddha 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿Feb 6, 2023
@GreatBigTable @ocdtrekkie @jonahstein @socks I own 2 e-mail domains running on Google Workspace, and frankly I see so little spam it's hardly worth worrying about. Maybe spam bulk is confined to @gmail addresses rather than @domain ones?? dunno - no expert on this
Show threadJonah SteinFeb 6, 2023

@fatwelshbuddha @GreatBigTable @ocdtrekkie @socks Most of that spam is being filtered by Google and you never see it. And spam filtering is why many of us moved to gmail a decade or so ago.

Try an email account on iCloud and you will see that Apple is not as good at catch spam.

Show threadocdtrekkie
@jonahstein @fatwelshbuddha @GreatBigTable @[email protected] Gmail is truly awful at spam. It was decent a decade ago, if you think it's good now you have no idea how things really are. My Fastmail's spam filter is far better, and my wife's Gmail account has cost us actual money for eating super critical mail as spam.
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Show threadJonah SteinFeb 6, 2023

@ocdtrekkie @fatwelshbuddha @GreatBigTable @socks
The point I was making is not that any of these companies are good at filtering spam. My point is that defederation is analogous to block list such as SpamHaus and that it is unreasonable to expect that instance administrators can or will be able to enforce community standards.

Instead, we need an explicit OPT-IN mechanism where users can choose to receive from everyone, from only those they select or some definitions in between.

Show threadSteven BarnhartFeb 6, 2023
@jonahstein @ocdtrekkie @fatwelshbuddha @GreatBigTable @[email protected] and silly except the absolutely worst of cases. It’s punishing an entire country for their worst actors because it’s always a sliperly slope. That’s why there’s great personal tools for you to choose your own actions.