Anil DashIt's the year of Unix on the gravetop! https://www.theregister.com/2023/01/17/unix_is_dead/
Truly nothing would have made Unix advocates more confused and upset in the late 80s than if I’d have told them “everyone will be using Unix on the desktop in the 2020s, but they’ll call it… Windows and the Mac.“
Jeffrey T. Davis
Dr. Drang@anildash Perhaps more confusing would be “everyone will have a Unix computer in their pocket or purse.”
Justin Stach
Chris Huff 
@anildash I mean, some of them are upset now.
mhoye@anildash "Actually you mean GNU NTOSKRNL.exe", he said through gritted teeth, "or as I've taken to calling it, GNU plus NTOSKRNL.exe", veins in his neck bulging ominously.
mark@ATLeagle @anildash I think the part that hurts me the most is that you need to be a weird old niche Unix crank to realize that software general utility and composability used to be a goal, and that what really happened is that Windows and Mac didn't become meaningfully Unixlike, but that Unix surrendered its own evolutionary path to shamble the earth disguised in a grotesque imitation of the plumage of its old enemies and dreaming of being treated like an equal.
Martin Hamilton@anildash Also everyone will have dozens of tiny Linux boxes strewn around their home, and they won't even know #MarchOfThePenguins
Emily S
Bryan Ruby@anildash I still get macOS users upset with me when I point out that they're using Unix. Now owning a Mac Mini for a year and a half...I upset macOS users when I tell them I still prefer Linux on my desktop. If you knew Unix in the 80s and 90s...it's difficult to get past Unix as anything but your north star.
Thiago Figueiró@bryanruby @anildash I’ve used Linux desktops and laptops. In the 90s, I remember patching the kernel myself so the LAN driver would work. In the 00s I played the game of “what basic laptop feature won’t work OOTB on Linux?” Sometimes it would be the wireless, others the sound, but often the standby when closing the lid. macOS needs to get a lot worse before I go back to any of that.
@thiagocsf @anildash Memories! I too remember patching the kernel to get my external USB Wi-Fi to play nicely with Linux. Frustrating times! You might be surprised how easy the various Linux distributions install these days. Ubuntu, LInux Mint, and Fedora are all distributions I found "just work". Despite my preference being Linux I use mac OS, Linux, and Windows equally. Maybe controversial, but as far as usage goes I don't see any of them that ahead of the other.
@bryanruby @anildash I agree! Horses for courses, right? The windows terminal support keeps getting better, but I don’t know if I’ll ever get used to #PowerShell. When corporate jobs required me to use windows, #Cygwin was always a welcome oasis.
M. FiorettiThose Unix advocates that also used Perl would have probably answered
Why not? TMTOWTDI!!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There%27s_more_than_one_way_to_do_it
Derek Vandivere@mfioretti_en @anildash God, I loved that book.
kirpich@anildash windows nt as a flavor of the Unix is a bit of a stretch😃 they would be confused by M$ embrace of open source and general public love for the company especially on gaming side of things 🤷♂️
Bill0004@anildash also the world’s leading smart home platform, Control 4. First we’d have to explain that whole ecosystem’s existence.
mkb@anildash For some of us that was always the dream! I spent a lot of the late 80s and early 90s going back and forth between Sun workstations on campus and a Mac at home.
There was an early Unix-on-the-Mac product called MachTen but it was paaaaainfully slow. OS X, even the rough early versions, was the holy grail.
Unix on Windows is another matter. I have to admit that makes me squirm a bit.
Luke Kanies@anildash I can’t speak to the 80s, but 90s me would have been pretty happy to have a stable computer with a Unixy command line. One great feature of BeOS was its terminal.
And holy cow macOS was crap back then.
Linke@anildash Heh. Confuses me even now. Especially the Windows integration.
Cameron MacLeod@anildash That was a dizzying read. So many brands I had forgotten entirely since I went to LinuxWorld ‘99 with Corel.
Rory@anildash Time for us to pay our respects by pouring out a 40oz Mountain Dew out in front of the colo.
: j@fabrica:~/src; 
@anildash lovely thread about this on The Unix Historical Society mailing list
Fluz@anildash Sad….😭 and it’s all att’s fault.