daniel s.Jan 31, 2023
you can't reform this
Show threadRay Gulick, he/him/wtf 🇺🇦 ❌👑Jan 31, 2023

@selfagency
LEO are trained to fear for their safety and react with deadly force, particularly if the detainee is a black male.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you can 'untrain' fear that's been drilled into LEO via training and culture.

#KillerPolice

Show threadNina WilsonJan 31, 2023
@rgulick @selfagency You can re-train them out of this but it is a bit like getting someone off drugs then putting them back with their mates that are still using. You have to re-train the whole force and you have to convince seasoned cops that de-escalation can work in many cases (it will never work with all of them). You have to do this in parallel with getting rid of the ACAB attitude in the public (or certain sectors of the public).
Show threadRay Gulick, he/him/wtf 🇺🇦 ❌👑Jan 31, 2023

@NinaWilson @selfagency
That doesn't sound like retraining has a realistic shot at succeeding.

Honestly, I think armed cops should not be making traffic stops (unless they're in pursuit of robbery or murder suspects, perhaps), and they should not be detaining people who are not actively engaged in criminal conduct.

I think we need to make traffic violations, vagrancy, and other low-level issues the responsibility of an unarmed force (similar to UK).

Show threadCaptainSmartass

@rgulick @NinaWilson @selfagency we need to just disarm police entirely. Keep a SWAT team around for special occasions, but they never leave the station on patrol and only respond to specific incidents.

Rank and file police cannot be trusted with firearms. Period.

Feb 1, 2023 at 12:24amWeb
Show threadNina WilsonFeb 1, 2023
@captainsmartass @rgulick @selfagency It is almost that in the UK. Diplomatic protection, airports, nuclear plants have armed police. Everywhere else there are highly trained armed response teams that drive around with guns in a secure box. The guns don't come out unless there's an incident that requires them.
I get where you're coming from with them not leaving the station, but that has 2 problems. They'll get bored and over-react when they get let out, the criminals know the response time.
Show threadCaptainSmartassFeb 1, 2023
@NinaWilson @rgulick @selfagency good point about the response time and the team getting bored. I amend my motion.