root42
What's the best TV with the following features?
* Low lag for gaming
* No / few smart features
* Many inputs (HDMI, and if possible: RGB/SCART)
Especially the TV should NOT interfere trying to "smart remote" my devices -- which are mainly retro consoles with HDMI scan converters... THERE IS NOTHING TO REMOTE CONTROL THERE!
Jan 30, 2023 at 6:41pmWeb
Show threadPinkunz 🙃Jan 30, 2023

@root42

It's funny you bring this up. The cost of modern TVs is actually subsidized by the inclusion of these smart features, the manufacturers get kickbacks for pre-loaded apps, and the sale of data collected by these built-in smart features.

Counter-intuitively, this means that it is often no cheaper to buy a brand new "dumb" TV, because your purchase is the only income stream for that device. In fact, without ordering it directly, you may have a hard time finding one on the store shelves.

Show threadTechnorganicalJan 30, 2023
@pinkunz @root42 to add to this, it would probably be best to buy a good (large) monitor with whatever features are important such as 120hz or frame rate syncing, etc… Of course, it will be more expensive.
Show threadroot42Jan 30, 2023
@birch @pinkunz if it supports the weird upscaler resolutions of the Rad2x, OSSC etc…
Show threadMegJan 30, 2023
@root42 next time I'm going to buy a tv it'll probably be one of the ones that are for signage that have a removable raspi cm as their "controller". Geerling had them on his channel a while ago. Not sure about display lag on them and they're not cheap but they are probably built like tanks so should last forever.
Show threadAlexander KaiserJan 30, 2023

@root42

https://geizhals.de/telefunken-xf32j111-a2445440.html?hloc=de

No idea about input lag really on this one. TVs suck.

Maybe get a PC Monitor and convert analog signals to HDMI externally?

Telefunken XF32J111 ab € 159,00 (2023) | Preisvergleich Geizhals Deutschland

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Show threadroot42Jan 30, 2023
@alexkaiser PC monitors sometimes have problems with the resolutions produced by analog upscalers sadly…
Show threadAlexander KaiserJan 31, 2023

@root42 Hi, i know. You would need something like OSSC to do a clean HDMI conversion first. But of course that is expensive and can get complicated. But you sure get the best quality possible.

https://www.retrorgb.com/ossc.html

Open Source Scan Converter (OSSC)

The Open Source Scan Converter is a zero lag upscaler that can output from 480p up to 1080p.  It's only shortcoming is it's not compatible with all TV's in every mode, but it's still an excellent choice.  There's also a more powerful "OSSC Pro" that can scale up to 1440p, with modes for downscaling,

RetroRGB
Show threadroot42Jan 31, 2023
@alexkaiser I have a Rad2x and an OSSC. Still as they 'just' upscale very simply, they sometimes produce resolutions that PC monitors will reject. E.g. I can't use the SNES+RAD2X on my older PC monitor.