@jeff okay this is probably a unpopular opinion but fuck it: I wouldn't mind to see ads if this means it would help to run the server. Mastodon should implement ads with a easy opt in/opt out model (for the users) that server admins can choose to use on their instance.

And maybe a easy one click donation implementation in the official app over the app store. Like I heard from a friend who works on apps: "With every additional click you will loose people that are willing to pay."

@Wabu @jeff prefer no ads but if needed,how about
YES:
* other #MastodonInstances that can afford to run ads
* #Mastodon-supporting, #proEarth, #proScience #nonprofits and #universities
* #jobAds for #scientists #programmers #educators #artists
* #recycling #sustainability efforts
* #animalRescues
* #LocalGovernment #StateGovernment #publicSafety #parksAndRec #historicPreservation

e.g. #NationalGeographic #Smithsonian

NO:
* diets
* Schemes (get rich quick)
* Overpriced luxury goods

@yoohooair @Wabu @jeff @nathan #admin

😠 NO ADS ON MASTODON 😨

✊️ NO ADS ON MASTODON 😨

But read this thread...

@T2oofei8ht @yoohooair @Wabu @jeff Mastodon will never have ads so you can forget that idea and any admins trying to push ads from their instance will be swiftly defederated. It doesn't take a lot of money to run a small Mastodon server and users will be happy to support their server especially because there aren't any ads or tracking.

I'm generally against ads as a revenue model, especially for media because of the ways advertisers can influence editorial/ moderation choices. Totally opposed to surveillance advertising in all its forms, of course.

But..

@nathan
> admins trying to push ads from their instance will be swiftly defederated

Only if they're pushing ads out to other instances. What if they just display contextual ads to accounts on their instance?

@T2oofei8ht @yoohooair @Wabu @jeff

@strypey @T2oofei8ht @yoohooair @Wabu @jeff It goes completely against the ethos of Mastodon so if any admins do try it they're gonna have a bad time. We don't want that normalized here.

Please expand on how contextual ads, shown only to users who opt-in to seeing them by joining an ad-funded instance, go...

@nathan
> completely against the ethos of Mastodon

I agree it's not ideal, and it seems unlikely to become a common funding model (can expand on why if you're interested). But is it really such a terrible thing if it works for a few instances, and the people who would rather see ads than pay money?

@T2oofei8ht @yoohooair @Wabu @jeff

@nathan
OK, maybe it does conflict with the ethos of Mastodon. Although the mention of algorithms suggests the real target is surveillance advertising and the accompanying timeline manipulation, not opt-in contextual ads. Worth pointing out too that John Mastodon only gets to define the ethos of the Mastodon project, not the whole fediverse. That's up to all of us to hash out together and find rough consensus.

@T2oofei8ht @yoohooair @Wabu @jeff