stux⚡️

In the past when I still used #Windows I was always afraid of updates since it took soo much time and often kinda broke or moved things but with #macOS it's always happy times since it always improves stuff for the better

If not major UI changes there are security updates that make me even more happy  

Linux is another story ofc but thats updates on a daily basis! 

Jan 26, 2023 at 10:36amWeb
Show threadstux⚡️Jan 26, 2023

People can say what they want but stuff from Apple is in general secure in two ways:

1. The OS is closed source yes, but with a good reason in this case and a choice ofc!

2. A first time user cannot delete important system files or even easily access stuff that makes them confused. This goes for macOS, iOS and iPadOS! Basically a kid can find it's way around it

Plus I just LOVE how 'apps' work but just dragging it to the apps folder, most stuff doesn't need an 'installation' 😉

Show threaduzayranJan 26, 2023
@stux What is the good reason for it being closed source and how does it make it more secure?
Show threadCamiel HirschbergJan 26, 2023

@stux tech support memory: customer came into the shop with their imac, they had been going through the system library folder and found the windows daemon, but since they don't have windows but macos, they deleted it, weird, device booted but stayed black ;-)

but MacOS is easy enough where you can reinstall the OS without losing any data/settings etc.

Show threadstux⚡️Jan 26, 2023
@iwamoto this made me laugh 
Show threadJohn Q. Liberty 🇺🇸Jan 26, 2023
@iwamoto @stux Expel the demon!!!! lol
Show threadCamiel HirschbergJan 26, 2023
@johnqliberty @stux this was one of those digital hypochondriac, aka, thinking your device must have a virus or be hacked because say, the mouse once stuttered for a second etc., i think i helped him with that device about 4 times in total. (we were super lenient with customers, part of the service experience)
Show threadJohn Q. Liberty 🇺🇸Jan 26, 2023
@iwamoto People don't know what they don't know. Switchers make a lot of mistakes like that.
Show threadCamiel HirschbergJan 26, 2023
@johnqliberty oh sure, we were very patient with people, but this guy was a special case, he'd call us up "hey so i set the screensaver to 5 minutes but it already started at 4:59, i timed it" not literally, but a lot of these kind of cases, where you can only shrug and say "it's made by people, it's not perfect because people aren't perfect"
Show threadJohn Q. Liberty 🇺🇸Jan 26, 2023
@iwamoto Yeah I. worked phone tech support for awhile and got some of those. The "fun" was when I was tier 2 and the tier 1's had to send them to me because the customer could not accept reality.
Show threadMatt WilcoxJan 26, 2023
@stux Nitpick: The OS is open source; the UI and apps are closed. https://opensource.apple.com/releases/
Apple Open Source

Show threadstux⚡️Jan 26, 2023
@mattwilcox is that the 'complete OS' or libraries?
Show threadMatt WilcoxJan 26, 2023

@stux It's all the stuff that's used, and Darwin itself (OSX's kernel). OSX is a full UNIX system; it just has proprietary UI and apps.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system)

Darwin (operating system) - Wikipedia

Show threadMatt WilcoxJan 26, 2023
@stux (So really it kinda depends on what people mean by "OS" ... the technical answer and the what people understand might be a bit different; but techincally OSX is some customisations on top of an open source operating system Apple maintain and release.)
Show threadDale HarveyJan 26, 2023

@stux Being closed source makes things less secure, not more.

(and MacOS is OS)

Show threadBezmaniaJan 26, 2023
@stux I’d like to add that I find their stance on security and privacy way better than other OS builders. Annoying Meta by limiting their information gathering paths to better safeguard user privacy is a Good Thing IMHO
Show threadCapeHeaven🦄Jan 26, 2023
@stux I so agree about Apple!! My husband has an android phone for work and since he’s not tech-savvy I’m the one who has to figure out any issues (when he’s home). IMO, Android phones are terrible; nothing makes sense and there’s always a new issue. iPhones just work!
(Android lovers, please don’t come at me, these are just my opinions. Thx)
Show threadrafal06Jan 26, 2023
@CapeHeaven @stux I don't hate on Apple stuff, but I personally couldn't live with iOS. I'm just so used to the customizability of Android. I have plenty of apps from outside of the Play Store, including Termux. I have a custom notification drawer installed. Also I like to have app icons on my home screen near the bottom, with big widgets. But that's just my point of view ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The key is to have a choice.
Show threadsoweli Likisi ΘΔ    Jan 26, 2023
@stux I dont think going closed source is excusable for any reason, though I will agree that it's extremely tamper-proof for ppl who are good at destroying their systems (even jailbreaking on iOS isn't that risky since even if you screw something up you can just boot up the iBoot recovery/DFU and reinstall iOS without any issues or difficulty; meanwhile I can't tell you how many nights I've spent trying to recover android software hard bricks)
Show threadFossery Tech  Jan 26, 2023
@stux yeah MacOS is (mostly) secure but not private unfortunately. iOS has quite a few security flows. (and the limitations suck, at least for me)
But their hardware is powerful I admit.
Btw AppImages are basically the same on Linux as those 'apps' on Mac.
Show threadErUpNorthJan 26, 2023
@stux Ah so point 2 is why my partner persuaded me onto a Mac 😂
Show threadTodd PhippsJan 26, 2023
@stux I like the ease of reinstalling the OS also...and moving to a different hard disk is easier...just move the Applications folder to the new one and the apps will usually re-establish fresh preference directories and files on the new volume. I support Windows and Office 365 for my day gig...I don't want that mess in my home studio! That can stay at work... 🤣
Show threadKathy SkidmoreJan 26, 2023
@stux I’m back with apple after 4 years of enforced PC at work. The relief! Things just work in a couple of steps! The keyboard is lovely! If others don’t like apple, I really don’t mind, but it’s the right fit for me
Show threadCeremus Jan 27, 2023

@stux Point 1. The "Security through Obscurity" model is only effective until your code gets leaked. A bit like sitting on a time bomb with a variable amount of semtex. Of course as many have pointed out now, the Darwin kernel was developed as open source, and as it was BSD-based was of course, secure. So I think we can put this to the side.

Point 2, yes of course, agreed. But this is also true of any Windows system properly deployed with UAC enabled and admin accounts not used by default.

Show threadNafnlaus 🇮🇸 🇺🇦Jan 26, 2023
@stux For me it's always NVidia that makes updates on Linux a pain. But if you want CUDA, you deal with NVidia...
Show threadMarcusJan 26, 2023
@stux In my 20 years of macOS usage there has def been some breakage. Like when karabiner elements didn’t work for months after a new major release, or when they removed 32bit support breaking all the games, or last time they switched processor architecture and we were running apps in crappy emulators.. :)
Show threadstux⚡️Jan 26, 2023

@marcus thats quite some time! 💪  

Ofc there's gonna be stuff breaking in so many years but the UI in general stayed the same-ish!

Not like Windows who confused elderly people but adding a start menu then removing it again, than came the weird tile thingy  etc etc

Show threadMirre Jan 26, 2023
@stux last time i owned an android phone it was the worst experience ive ever had and i will most likely never go back to it. The only actual valid critique for apple is their planned obsolescence with older products and the prices. But i honestly had far faaar better experience as a casual user than i ever had with windows.
Show threadThe Bear (Stephen Rodda)Jan 26, 2023

@stux I run Linux, and the updates aren't daily.

The great thing about it is that you don't have to reboot three times after an update, like you do with Windows.

Show threadbandlaJan 26, 2023

@stux Though I am fully invested into Apple ecosystem, would not agree that it 'always' improves. This iteration (iOS 16, macOS Ventura) is buggy as hell. It too three minor versions for iOS to get better.

Also Windows vs MacOS is now purely based on need/requirement. Gone are those days when macOS was much better/stable. I use Windows 11 on desktop (gaming) and it is rock solid. Windows 10 is bloody stable and light on resources as well. With WSL, I need not do dual boot for Linux.

Show threadbandlaJan 26, 2023

@stux For me, this is how it is:

Development and portability, photo/video editing: MBP with MacOS

Gaming and media consumption, home use: Windows 11 with Xbox controller.

Coming to linux, well...

Linux: Servers and VMs for hosting applications/websites.

Show threadBrian Ragle (he/him/his) 🇺🇸🖖🏼Jan 26, 2023
@stux It was in using modern macOS and tootling around on the command line that I was able to transition more readily into other *nix environments. This in turn more than prepared me to own and thrive on a Steam Deck for all my gaming needs. :)
Show thread/dev/nullJan 26, 2023
@stux I've had quite a few problems upgrading my macbook to the latest macOS version, a bunch of CLI tools disappeared and I had to reinstall them. The only reason why I use macOS instead of any linux distro is battery life, no fan noise and cracked photoshop
Show threadDanJan 26, 2023
@stux I really like the concept of signed, sandboxed, atomic application bundles. The days of installers/packages doing random mods to your OS and spraying files all over your computer HAVE to end.
Show threadrafal06Jan 26, 2023
@stux Last summer I bought a 2011 MBP 13" to try out macOS. I tried High Sierra (that's what it came with), then installed Catalina with a patcher, then Monterey. Overall, macOS nuked itself 2 times for me. The first time, because of some third party partitioning tool I used. The second time because of Apple's official Disk Utility app.
macOS just really doesn't like to be tinkered with ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Show threadRassilonian LegateJan 26, 2023
@stux
I've never used Mac OS but the only OS where I've actively dreaded Updates was windows, linux has been a dream by comparison
Show threadJustin Thomas 🛡Jan 26, 2023

@stux I've used Apple since 2006. Updating is not such a blissful experience when using pro audio apps. Those frequently need to be managed carefully as updates will break them. And that's not even referring to when Apple intentionally breaks compatibility (e.g., I was forced to buy Logic X when 9 worked fine for me because I updated the OS and Apple intentionally obsoleted 9 on the new OS).

My daily driver is Linux these days, but I still use Apple for pro audio. There's no competition there.

Show threadPolitical JanitorJan 26, 2023
@stux when linux isn’t accessible or feasible (for whatever reason) my go to OS is *always* #macOS. It being unix based makes it feel right at home. Plus I don’t have to fuss with random apps in my launcher, non-local users, and forced updates.
Show threadMark RotteveelJan 26, 2023
@stux In my experience, Windows updates are generally a lot faster than macOS updates.
Show threadRobin Renée (she, her)Jan 26, 2023
@stux I do love my Mac stuff, but I hardly ever mention it online, as platform discussions usually devolve into flame wars. I’m so glad that hasn’t happened here!
Show threadMoirkoB Jan 26, 2023

@stux I was still working as an IT technician back when the amazing Windows 10 rollout happened......Not as automagically as MS expected; had to restore most of our clients' pc and data back 

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