Republican Sen. Josh Hawley is calling for a TikTok ban.

This is a day after another Republican, Sen. Marco Rubio, published an OpEd in Fox News also pushing for a ban.

To be sure, these Republicans care very little about TikTok's surveillance of users.

Their problem is that, unlike Meta or Twitter, TikTok is not an American company.

Nevertheless, I personally think surveillance capitalism should be banned wholesale on all social networks.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/international-business/us-business/article-us-senator-josh-hawley-wants-to-ban-tiktok-nationwide/

U.S. Senator Josh Hawley wants to ban TikTok nationwide

‘TikTok is China’s backdoor into Americans’ lives. It threatens our children’s privacy as well as their mental health,’ U.S. Senator Josh Hawley said on Twitter

The Globe and Mail

I really hope that progressives turn off the lizard brain response of "TikTok is good because Republicans say it's bad."

No, TikTok is bad.

The enemy of your enemy isn't necessarily your friend.

Is their opposition based on nationalism, racism, and yellow peril? Probably.

Is TikTok still monitoring and tracking teenagers, feeding them unhealthy content based on "relevancy" algorithms, screwing with their mental health? Yes.

All surveillance capitalism should be banned.

The more thoughtful progressive response to the eventual TikTok ban is to say:

"Hey Republicans, you're right about TikTok. But let's go further than TikTok. Let's ban all surveillance, user tracking, and black box algorithms from ALL social media -- including with American-owned companies!

"And while we're at it, let's dismantle all Big Tech monopolies, especially the ones building walled gardens that lock users into their platforms!"

The cold reality is that TikTok will be banned.

I've seen this play out with other Chinese companies. Perfect example is Huawei.

First, the US intelligence community raises alarms about security.

Then branches of the US government start to ban the tech made by these Chinese companies.

Finally, there's a wholesale ban of the tech being sold to or used by consumers.

Regarding TikTok, this is yet another weakness of Big Tech. What happens should it be banned?

Many folks are saying, "We need to build a federated TikTok clone!"

That can't exactly happen because TikTok's *reason* to exist is surveillance. Its algorithms work because it watches everything you do, and thus collects data on you.

However, what we need to do is build federated platforms for audio and video.

Some already exist, but they're works in progress.

Regardless, we need more.

@atomicpoet Here’s a tough nut to crack @scottjenson. How could an “easily shareable and discoverable short form video fediverse app” work from a UI perspective?

What kind of assumptions are people making because “that’s how TikTok does it”, instead of “what would a persona want out of a service like that”.

@breadbin @atomicpoet

I don't think there should be a tiktok clone for the simple reason it only exists to addict you. As pointed out by atomic poet , that requires much different data collection. Just because it's possible doesn't mean it should be

@scottjenson @atomicpoet Agreeing about that. We shouldn’t want the “we are the product” social media.

But just as mastodon has similarities and differences to Twitter, I’m curious of what a user focused short video service could be. Because watching short videos isn’t bad in and by itself.

Or is it unsalvageable? Pretty theoretical for me since I’ve never used tiktok.

(I’m generally against anything intended to give others addictions on purpose, especially for money.)

@breadbin @atomicpoet

I have, and it really is a shockingly effective addictive attention death spiral.

I'm happy to consider a short video service! It just is important to consider that it would probably be far less engaging, probably more like Instagram than anything else, which could be fine!

However, given the significantly higher data storage costs, it's important to ask how self-hosting would actually play out.

@scottjenson @atomicpoet I kinda scoffed at it in the past, but the idea of ephemeral short videos might be an interesting idea now. Sometimes good ideas come at the wrong time.

In fact I spend too much time on social media (due to Mastodon), so a non addiction in-out, enjoy in short bursts, social media might be the ticket. Something that forces away the “have to keep up” FOMO.

(Reminds me of the weapon breaking in Breath of the Wild. Smart mechanic to positively push the player.)