It seems like, for the last 30 years of my life, we didn’t really need to spend much time struggling with what to do with the long-term future of humanity. The idea in my head has always been “what folks around me currently have, but for more people, and using less stuff.”

If fusion is ever going to be a thing, if energy production keeps getting cheaper, if AI is contributing significantly to the knowledge economy…that’s just not gonna be enough of a vision anymore.

@hankgreen Hank! You are alive. So nice to see you again.

I thought we never see you alive again, your New Year's hangover lasted 24 days.

Normally, if people have that long hangover they need to go to rehab.

@hankgreen I think it's a matter of pace. Even though technology (fusion, AI, etc.) is developing rapidly, we're screwing up the climate even faster.

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Any vision of the future that centers around technology making the world better has to reckon with how wildly different human views of a better world are, and how easily subverted to different ends technology can be.

@shauna @hankgreen AI / cyber-ethics is going to be supremely important if we don't crash industrial civilization before the economy is restructured around post-energy scarcity and AI.

I don't subscribe at all to Marxism as such but a Marxian-esque critique of the ownership of the means of production or the means of driving the knowledge economy is going to be absolutely essential too.

@bw84 @hankgreen

You don't have to be a Marxist to disagree with how resources are owned and distributed in society.

One of the greatest successes of the wealthy has been convincing the mainstream that anyone raising a critique of capitalism was a central planning communist hoping to jail enemies and starve millions.

@hankgreen great thought 💭 I actually think in either case (IF and IF NOT) it wouldn’t be enough of a vision anymore 🤔
@hankgreen Have you read Ecotopia? It has a lot of silly and terrible and dated ideas (and a lot more hospital sex than you might expect) but it does try to do this
@hankgreen who's Al? I feel like I should have heard of him if he's so important
@hankgreen I think the classic adage I've heard is technology innovations never do the hard part of distributing it to the masses. The closest thing that bucked that trend is GPS, and that's 44 years old... not exactly a great trajectory if the "masses" get cheap energy or useful AI in 40 years from now.
@hankgreen "AI contributing significantly to the knowledge economy"? Um nope. AI is *destroying* the "knowledge economy" by injecting astronomical amounts of disinformation asserted confidently as fact. This is all it will ever do.

@dalias @hankgreen >All it will ever do

Oh shut the hell up.

@CelcoLevi @dalias @hankgreen It will also eat its own shit. The truth hurts.
@hankgreen man, I don't really buy this. How are these technologies going to change society more dramatically than the industrial revolution did? Were still basically talking about more plentiful energy and dramatically increased automation.

@blherrou @hankgreen Very cheap and clean energy means a lot cheaper construction costs, you could start to capture CO2 and solve climate change... It has a lot of ramifications.

That's still a lot of ifs from Hank, but that's the hype among true believers. Fusion is still like religion regardless of how many startups there are. I admit to reading that canon now and then.

@hankgreen Happy to see you here bestie!! I mean, on a much larger scale and figuring how to do it with as little negative impact upon the planet as possible will still be vastly important. But also raising the next generations that way, to continue along the path. Also working it into politics will be crucial.
@hankgreen for the most part it will be "what folks around me currently have, but for more people, and using less stuff" but it will also be "and stuff I currently cannot fathom"
@peregrine I hope so!!
@hankgreen I always try to imagine like 4 generations back, the things we have now would be unfathomable to them. And yet we have it, and we mostly live a similar way.
@hankgreen it'll be like Star Trek except the Federation will be picking up trash due to the assumed lack of inmate labor
@hankgreen you could probably write a book or two about it 😏
@hankgreen I keep thinking that this is the time we need to be considering the future of work - what it looks like and what role it holds in our lives. It's so central to our identity as Americans, and it's going to be so hard to dislodge that.
@hankgreen It'll be closer to "what I have on the weekend but for more people, more of the time"
@hankgreen We do need a new vision. And 90+% of #scifi these days is "everything will be terrible forever". If we want a chance at our long-term future being a good one, we need writers to create compelling visions of what that might look like. Star Trek is one; we need more.

@DawnPaladin @hankgreen

Is it? I'm not sure how to measure a zeitgeist, and I'd have a similar leaning towards you by default. But thanks to historical perspective from people like @adapalmer and Cat Rambo, I think that the evidence is that #scifi is becoming more positive.

Case in point (with a̶p̶o̶l̶o̶g̶i̶e̶s compliments to @annaleen), the #hopepunk trend that has gained recognition over the last ten years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hopepunk

Hopepunk - Wikipedia

@NiftyLinks This is great! I'm gonna have to read some of these. Thanks for the link!

@DawnPaladin Glad to help :) I recently discovered it myself.

Also, on reading your profile: "Interested in building resilient systems and making complex things easier to understand."

Brilliantly stated goal. I may borrow it.

@NiftyLinks @DawnPaladin @hankgreen @adapalmer I love hopepunk -- I'm not sure why I'm listed in this article as "disputing" it. I have said it's not really a genre -- more of a vibe -- but I still think it's great. We did an entire episode of @ouropinions about hopepunk.

@annaleen @DawnPaladin @hankgreen @adapalmer @ouropinions

Thanks for the clarification! So hopepunk is a more story feature, less a b̶u̶g̶ genre or genre or sub-genre? Makes sense to me. :)

@NiftyLinks @DawnPaladin @hankgreen @adapalmer @ouropinions Yeah it's a feeling or vibe -- and it can exist in any genre! Not just scifi.
Hopepunk, Optimism, Purity, and Futures of Hard Work by Ada Palmer

Hopepunk, Optimism, Purity, and Futures of Hard Work by Ada Palmer - "Fiction does not give us many stories of continuing to slog on after an unsatisfying partial victory. That makes hopepunk powerful."

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@annaleen @NiftyLinks @DawnPaladin @hankgreen @adapalmer @ouropinions

#hopepunk is largely a reaction to an excess of #grimdark stories, where everything is rotten and people do whatever benefits them, regardless of the consequences to anyone else.
The characters find unexpected solutions to improve the situation, which can be more interesting to read. And avoids unrealistic smarmy characters of #noblebright.
It can be used with almost any setting.

@annaleen @NiftyLinks @DawnPaladin @hankgreen @adapalmer @ouropinions

I'm thinking that Princess Mononoke might be an #anime example. It's a complex situation, and doesn't boil down to a good vs evil story, but the ending situation is better than a total loss for Eboshi, the Gods, or Ashitaka.

@annaleen @NiftyLinks @DawnPaladin @hankgreen @adapalmer @ouropinions
Another idea might be to explore story structures other than the conflict-based 3-act.
Something more like #kishotenketsu - built around a challenge or twist might be a better framework for a less-pessimistic story.
Early SF was often based around problem-solving, but the authors usually didn't put any effort into characters or other elements, so they don't resonate with modern readers.
@hankgreen "Long term, you mean like Q4?" - everyone with even a smidgen of real power to make change
@hankgreen Maybe some speculative fiction might help? I mean, Star Trek inspired so many inventions. Why not a Hank Green book?
@hankgreen I've tried on atheism and secular humanism. I've diligently applied Western philosophical traditions. The thing conspicuous by its absence? Meaning.
@hankgreen AI is going to cause big changes in how we do things. The Deep Thought computer in Hitchhiker’s Guide might have been the setup to a multi-million year long joke but there is a future for us where we build an AI that helps us build things that we wouldn’t be able to do on our own. Hopefully we don’t end up surrounding that AI with the levels of mysticism that the Magratheans did

@hankgreen

I hate to appeal to an over- and misused term, but is this not the von Neuman style technological singularity: "accelerating progress ... approaching some essential singularity in the history of the race beyond which human affairs, as we know them, could not continue."

Vernor Vinge brought it up in his 1993 _Whole Earth Review_ article (and NASA Lewis VISION-21 symposium) discussing his superintelligence driven singularity.

https://mindstalk.net/vinge/vinge-sing.html

Vernor Vinge on the Singularity

@hankgreen That's all too many words to say, "I think the rate of change requires that we dump our old models of the future at an ever increasing rate". I do think that's going to be really hard to do.
@hankgreen "What is to be done?" by ̶V̶l̶a̶d̶i̶m̶i̶r̶ ̶I̶l̶y̶i̶c̶h̶ ̶U̶l̶y̶a̶n̶o̶v̶ Hank Green
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Maybe unpopular opinion but, can we just go hard with all this? Get energy production super sustainable. Let AI take over all our jobs. Open source all the things. People just go spend time with each other, contribute to anything they are passionate about and we all stop being so hateful and greedy. Oversimplified I suppose.
@hankgreen something weird I’ve been thinking about is that in the current era, anything that is both possible and desired by powerful people will happen. Back when electrical circuits only preformed logic as a proof of concept, it would have been outrageous to suggest that technology would lead to something like a smart phone. It was possible though and powerful people wanted it to happen - so it did. This premise applies to all emerging technologies which is very exciting and also quite scary.
@hankgreen The time is coming when we must redefine social participation. It will be unreasonable to shame an individual for their lack of gainful employment when there just aren't enough jobs to go around. But on the bright side, we have the opportunity to evolve from a civilization of labor, to a civilization of leisure,. My prototype is the state of Kuwait, where citizens largely rely on foreign workers for most labor. Replace these workers with machines, and we have my Utopia.
@hankgreen Republicans will hate it when fusion works. They'll demand we keep on fracking for oil and call the pro-fusion people "Woke".
@hankgreen This has been on my mind a lot lately. I look at studies that show that older people are healthier and happier when they have communities, regardless of if it's family or friends. I think we need to reconsider car centric living in single family homes, and give ourselves more time to live, to make social connections instead of material goods.
@hankgreen coming in with another post that can either be interpreted as incredibly optimistic or incredibly pessimistic with no room for anything in-between.
@hankgreen I think society needs to switch which virtues it holds as progress. We need to shift the focus toward harmony, health and community rather than the productivity, power and consumerism.
@hankgreen It's like the difference between everyone buying a $30k car vs. using trains to get around. Unfortunately, our capitalist system prioritizes profit over efficiency of any kind.
@hankgreen I hope that, as that proves out and dramatically improves our standard of living, I end up with more time to invest in myself rather than just enriching someone else.
@hankgreen Reminds of the late Ursula K. LeGuin's last wish... For an Earth-encompassing system that can supercede/supplant global capitalism... Not just replace, but be better, and is actually practiced & implemented...
@hankgreen Indeed, we tremendously lack of vision. Maybe it's time to settle a new humanism, founded on biocentrism, not on anthropocentrism anymore.