Answering this in public:
Their endgame is preserving capitalism, for perhaps three more generations, in the face of quite literally, the end of the world.
The planet is boiling; capitalism goes or we do. The capitalists have made their choice, but they are quite aware that seven billion lemmings are not going to vote the preservation of a wealthy ruling class ahead of pure survival.
Ergo, you must not be allowed to choose. Hence, fascism.
Is it nuts? Absolutely. But LOOK AT OUR RICH PPL?
Have we not built a culture that prioritizes growth and the accumulation of capital above all else? Have we not unleashed the free market on all aspects of society? have we not LEGALLY codified the pursuit of short term profit, over long term sustainability at every turn?
So, then; who is the crazy one? The rich people who are following their clearly stated intentions to their logical conclusions in the face of this crisis? Or folks who expected them to choose anything else?
"It will mean the end of their world."
No, not their world; your world first, then eventually their grandkids world. But they will be long dead by then.
Well no. The free market would not give money to certain groups from the federal government to grow industry or ensure food stability. We would not have all these protectionist clauses. And we would not bar trade to certain entities. We do not live under the free market. The baby food disaster for instance? Protectionist causes and restrictions. WIC only gets its supply from one company which feeds half of all infants in USA.
Not a free market.
Really think of it… that one piece of the lifecycle of a business has been prevented by the government. The part where it fails. Whoever owned it is left in ruins, and the people who worked there don’t have a place to work. their retirement might be just gone?
I think we value stability more than the value of something going out, leaving people destitute and it’s wake, but also allowing for other things to rise up in its place.
**big business of course. Or even small businesses are spared the way it used to go….
I wrestle with this myself. I am not sure if a big country could really afford to let it all fall. Especially not food or energy. We saw in USA what happens when government pulls away from housing for example…
People blamed the infant formula thing on capitalism. But that isn’t true.
Also, though Elon was already pretty rich before, there is no way without USA picking who was to make their electric cars that Elon would have been a billionaire. It just wouldn’t have happened.
If you need concrete examples of government trying to solve issues… those are some good ones.
Another issue with housing in particular though is it isn’t really the big corporations nor is it the government who is at fault for the current housing crisis. It is the average homeowner. The average business owner. It’s mostly the middle class that has prevented housing.
Yup. Lawsuit lawsuit lawsuit. It’s not some ominous big corporation… It’s not the rich people necessarily… But mostly the average person who doesn’t want their house to go down in value. While some simply object to building something that looks bad in their neighborhood, others will oppose anything that isn’t market value explicitly cause low income housing lowers property value in neighborhoods. 🤷♀️
I have also noticed there are many cases where homeowners use environmental laws to prevent new housing. Because the point out that the traffic the new housing creates will create more oil runoff. Yeah. and they use that as a reason they can’t build housing there.
@Iwillyeah most developers are actually small in Portland. And most people who own property and rent it out are also small.
so when you’re creating a bunch of laws thinking that you’re targeting big businesses, please notice that the poor people can never buy what you just blocked off
I am very confused because I think you disagree with me that there should be more housing and more housing regardless if people can afford it or not because eventually the price will go down.
honestly I’m just getting so frustrated lately. People make these laws to protect the environment, and the only people it serves are people who already have.
yeah of course the middle class doesn’t want their valuable things to depreciate in value. Every single person who owns property has an expressed interest to protect their investment. And in general the government cannot afford to keep fighting off lawsuits just to build housing.
also the OP blocked me I’m just letting you know. So I can’t even remember what the OP said. And it makes me really sad. Because that just means that they can’t even talk to somebody who lives 200% below poverty. And they don’t care about my problems. They only care about their ideology
i’m getting so incredibly frustrated with people who call themselves socialist or anarchist and then refuse to listen to people. they just want cults. And I broke away from them for a reason. Because I realized that they only serve people who go to college and not anybody who’s like me.
they were preaching scarcity. Well, this is what scarcity does
also they can’t see the benefits in neoliberalism, they refuse to acknowledge that that is the ideology that got us disability, that got us Medicaid, that got us Social Security. that has made food stable and available. Because that’s what neoliberalism is. food stamps is neo liberal. Not socialism.
if we have no profit by which we can buy this stuff and do the nice things we really want, then we can’t afford this sort of stuff.
why is it that anti-capitalist always feel like they disrespect labor? But then they preach like they care about labor. Well until they want their services.
@Iwillyeah The moment somebody who is anti-capitalist wants somebody services, now they think the government should pay for it and also it should be free.
there is a trap here. And I see that there’s somebody who can’t afford anything. Who can’t work. Who actually is displaced by capitalism.
When you preach environmentalism and against abundance, you disadvantaged poor people every single time. People start thinking about hoarding resources. While some people will see it as a reason to curb our use of things, other people see it as a reason to prevent people from existing. And prevent immigration. And prevent trade.
anti-capitalism has a habit of forcing conformity, especially when combined with environmentalism
wicked every country that ever decided to try and not be capitalist sometime and tell me how great the human rights are. Now look at every extremist regime whether they be left or right, and tell me how well disabled people in particular fair. Now queer people.
there is a balance that needs to be struck.
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