Answering this in public:
Their endgame is preserving capitalism, for perhaps three more generations, in the face of quite literally, the end of the world.
The planet is boiling; capitalism goes or we do. The capitalists have made their choice, but they are quite aware that seven billion lemmings are not going to vote the preservation of a wealthy ruling class ahead of pure survival.
Ergo, you must not be allowed to choose. Hence, fascism.
Is it nuts? Absolutely. But LOOK AT OUR RICH PPL?
Have we not built a culture that prioritizes growth and the accumulation of capital above all else? Have we not unleashed the free market on all aspects of society? have we not LEGALLY codified the pursuit of short term profit, over long term sustainability at every turn?
So, then; who is the crazy one? The rich people who are following their clearly stated intentions to their logical conclusions in the face of this crisis? Or folks who expected them to choose anything else?
Well no. The free market would not give money to certain groups from the federal government to grow industry or ensure food stability. We would not have all these protectionist clauses. And we would not bar trade to certain entities. We do not live under the free market. The baby food disaster for instance? Protectionist causes and restrictions. WIC only gets its supply from one company which feeds half of all infants in USA.
Not a free market.
Really think of it… that one piece of the lifecycle of a business has been prevented by the government. The part where it fails. Whoever owned it is left in ruins, and the people who worked there don’t have a place to work. their retirement might be just gone?
I think we value stability more than the value of something going out, leaving people destitute and it’s wake, but also allowing for other things to rise up in its place.
**big business of course. Or even small businesses are spared the way it used to go….
I wrestle with this myself. I am not sure if a big country could really afford to let it all fall. Especially not food or energy. We saw in USA what happens when government pulls away from housing for example…
also the OP blocked me I’m just letting you know. So I can’t even remember what the OP said. And it makes me really sad. Because that just means that they can’t even talk to somebody who lives 200% below poverty. And they don’t care about my problems. They only care about their ideology
i’m getting so incredibly frustrated with people who call themselves socialist or anarchist and then refuse to listen to people. they just want cults. And I broke away from them for a reason. Because I realized that they only serve people who go to college and not anybody who’s like me.
they were preaching scarcity. Well, this is what scarcity does
also they can’t see the benefits in neoliberalism, they refuse to acknowledge that that is the ideology that got us disability, that got us Medicaid, that got us Social Security. that has made food stable and available. Because that’s what neoliberalism is. food stamps is neo liberal. Not socialism.
if we have no profit by which we can buy this stuff and do the nice things we really want, then we can’t afford this sort of stuff.
why is it that anti-capitalist always feel like they disrespect labor? But then they preach like they care about labor. Well until they want their services.
@Iwillyeah The moment somebody who is anti-capitalist wants somebody services, now they think the government should pay for it and also it should be free.
there is a trap here. And I see that there’s somebody who can’t afford anything. Who can’t work. Who actually is displaced by capitalism.
When you preach environmentalism and against abundance, you disadvantaged poor people every single time. People start thinking about hoarding resources. While some people will see it as a reason to curb our use of things, other people see it as a reason to prevent people from existing. And prevent immigration. And prevent trade.
anti-capitalism has a habit of forcing conformity, especially when combined with environmentalism
I wasn’t being supportive of the free market. But I’m certainly not supportive of the anti-free market either since those things tend to hate on disabled people and queer people too.
and the government is more involved in our economy than it probably ever has. And people are just less happy.
no economic system is going to privilege people who are under privileged already. None. There is no simple solution. There’s no magical wand you can wave. It doesn’t exist. And every time people try to make it exist, it always goes horribly wrong. So far the best system people have is the one we are under.
The thing is if you end neoliberalism, I can basically go back to classical liberalism which would mean defunding the whole government. or you put everything in the power of the government that could be potentially controlled by Republicans… Have they really thought about it?
I suppose the real problem is once you have neoliberalism as the standard, you can’t truly go backwards. In the efforts to go backwards have reminded people just how bad it was for most people. How our quality of life has gone up considerably because the government funds things. And Republicans will use the same power to enrich their friends.. That’s the frustration.
Do you think that having a different economic system would magically make all the racists and homophobes go away?
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