Jon Ayre
Adi RobertsonIt’s very funny to me that the dominant Twentieth Century conception of AI was a slightly awkward nerd with an inhuman mastery of facts and logic, when what we actually got is smooth-talking bullshit artists who can’t do eighth-grade math.
Administrator@thedextriarchy And who can also draw some _wicked_ airbrush artwork for the side of one's van.
@mdm we live in the decade of dirtbag androids
@thedextriarchy Silver lining -- dirtbag AI is much less likely to become Skynet than the 20th-century galaxy brain ideal of AI.
Jorge González Belmar@mdm @thedextriarchy This kind of scumbag AI would cause Judgement Day just because, when Skynet had some kind of reason (I forget which)
Nikkileah 🎮🚄🏳️⚧️🇬🇧
🅱🅻🆄🅴🅱️@mdm @thedextriarchy yeah was going to say I feel like it's actually more likely.
@BlueBee @thedextriarchy Dirtbag Skynet would only ever cause Judgement Day by accident, after misinterpreting a prompt for T2-inspired Sarah Connor fanart.
Alex, the Hearth Fire@mdm @thedextriarchy is it though?
@WizardOfDocs At least not intentionally. It certainly might accidentally.
@mdm that's not better
Stegosaurus@mdm @thedextriarchy Skynet is already here... and it's us, relative to the Earth.
Pete Alex Harris🦡🕸️🌲/∞🪐∫@mdm @thedextriarchy
Skynet was always going to be corporations with their legal liabilities outsourced to AI.
Skynet was always going to be corporations with their legal liabilities outsourced to AI.
Anya🏳️🌈✨@thedextriarchy @mdm well if I'm ever founding a band, here's the name
El Diablo Roboc 😈🤖@thedextriarchy @mdm So, we are living through Futurama? Cool
Coles Street Pothole@thedextriarchy @mdm Dirtbag Androids is my new band name
@ColesStreetPothole We have made it a thing. It is official. At least 50 people are now saying this. :p
@mdm And even more androids are saying this...dirtbag androids, that is.
Dan Nugent@thedextriarchy @mdm I’m just a dirtbag Android baby, just spewing bullshit, it’s butthole gravy. Every response a total maybe ooooooh
Bornach@mdm @thedextriarchy
As long as you don't care about the disfigured hands and have an affinity for nightmare material
https://www.creativebloq.com/news/ai-art-disturbing-images
As long as you don't care about the disfigured hands and have an affinity for nightmare material
https://www.creativebloq.com/news/ai-art-disturbing-images
Andreas K@mdm @thedextriarchy Collage and modify some _wicked_ artwork that it stole off the Internet.
(As long the original author was nice enough to describe with text what the image contains, so the model can associate the description with the image.)
Mrs Mouse at work@thedextriarchy Don't forget the more populous ai Alexa, which is very awkward a total inability to summon up facts.
BillStewart415@MrsMouse @thedextriarchy Siri says "Let me show you what I found on the web about inability to summon up facts"
Andy Waschick@thedextriarchy No wonder we read their output as realistic, that profile describes a lot of allegedly human clients and bosses I’ve had.
Callisto@thedextriarchy Imagine that, AIs are programmed to do the work of the programmers' bosses, not the work of the programmers
ZacWhat is worse is its corrective "feature" where it accepts a correction from a user without verifying it. So you can ask it to write something and then "correct" it to make it spit out something absolutely horrific.
Jonathan Baker-Bates@thedextriarchy
Certainly, David Brent as AI archetype was not on the bingo card.
Certainly, David Brent as AI archetype was not on the bingo card.
@thedextriarchy Can't even do first-grade math "Count on your fingers"
Fuzzysteve@billstewart415 @thedextriarchy Well, most of them don't have fingers, so that's a bit mean ;)
Susul 🏳️⚧️@thedextriarchy ig its like it is with people. Smooth talking bullshit becomes more popular than awkward mastery of facts. But different from people, we engineer AI, so the popularity difference matters even more
𒀭𒂗𒆠 ENKI ][e@thedextriarchy
It's a direct side effect of the political struggle between the statistical/fuzzy side & the symbolic/GOFAI side of AI research.
Minsky shat on perceptrons in the 60s so from then until the 90s when backprop got really good for computer vision, all pop culture depictions of AI were influenced by expert system research (with the exception of stuff like Deadly Friend).
But backprop made neural nets more useful, & in the 90s they were getting to the point where they could run on commodity hardware; meanwhile, high-profile symbolic logic projects like cyc were failing. So statistical methods got a lot of hype.
Thing about statistical methods is they can't do reasoning except by poorly and expensively simulating reasoning they've observed somebody else do (which is why human beings are so bad at it), and the statistical simulations of reasoning are so overcomplicated that nobody can understand them. In other words, statistical methods are *only* really good for bullshit!
Technical people have known this forever -- it's obvious from first principles -- but pop culture is slow to catch up because pop culture is primarily shaped by writers half-listening to marketing people who half-listened to technical people 20 years ago.
AKMA'Technical people have known this forever -- it's obvious from first principles -- but pop culture is slow to catch up because pop culture is primarily shaped by writers half-listening to marketing people who half-listened to technical people 20 years ago.' Enki++
author_is_ShrikeTron🔠💉x5@thedextriarchy Otoh, HAL9000 would be fairly realistic right now, by that description.
shawniganlaker@ShrikeTron @thedextriarchy HAL is a Tesla product.
Bernd Herd@ShrikeTron @thedextriarchy No, HAL9000 got the facts right and applied the consequences in all it's inhumanity. ChatGPT does not get any facts right.
Ben Crowell@herdsoft @ShrikeTron @thedextriarchy
"No, HAL9000 got the facts right and applied the consequences in all it's inhumanity."
Sounds like you need to re-watch the best SF movie ever made.
Hal initially knows the facts but lies because he's ordered to by a government bureaucracy. Then he gets emotionally conflicted and starts to lie in order to accomplish what they've told him should be his goal. As time goes on, and his psychosis deepens, it becomes unclear whether he knows what's true.
"No, HAL9000 got the facts right and applied the consequences in all it's inhumanity."
Sounds like you need to re-watch the best SF movie ever made.
Hal initially knows the facts but lies because he's ordered to by a government bureaucracy. Then he gets emotionally conflicted and starts to lie in order to accomplish what they've told him should be his goal. As time goes on, and his psychosis deepens, it becomes unclear whether he knows what's true.
@ben_crowell_fullerton @ShrikeTron @thedextriarchy The way I understood the book (and the movie) HAL was strictly rational. Hal had the task to complete the mission even if his human co-workers should fail. And to hide some mission goals from the humans. So it rationalized that its presence would be mission-critical. When the humans considered shutting it down, it was logical to prevent them from doing so by murdering them.
@herdsoft @ShrikeTron @thedextriarchy You've got the order of events wrong, and you're also mistaken about some of the cause and effect issues. The Wikipedia article seems accurate, if you want to refresh your memory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001:_A_Space_Odyssey_(film)
Brian Dear@thedextriarchy Perhaps the corporate world has decided more money can be made from "smooth-talking bullshit artists who can’t do eighth-grade math" types of AI?
En Buen Ora 🆗@thedextriarchy guess we get the AI that we deserve after all
John Brownlow@thedextriarchy related: deadly AI sentries fooled by soldiers wearing cardboard boxes
@thejohnbrownlow hideo kojima you’ve done it again
@thedextriarchy if only it had read Macbeth
Mast0b1t
kechpaja@thejohnbrownlow @thedextriarchy Clearly not enough Metal Gear fans on the development team.
Josh Adell@thedextriarchy Built in the image of the CEOs who run the companies they're invented at
WGAvanDijk@thedextriarchy
I heard an "expert" say on Dutch news radio that AI now has reached an IQ of 80. Whatever that means. I always had difficulty speaking with people with an IQ of less than 90. Nice conversations, but difficult.
I heard an "expert" say on Dutch news radio that AI now has reached an IQ of 80. Whatever that means. I always had difficulty speaking with people with an IQ of less than 90. Nice conversations, but difficult.
@thedextriarchy
I think we should fear the moment that IQ reaches 120.
I think we should fear the moment that IQ reaches 120.
aethervision 
@thedextriarchy @donmelton Welcome back to 1980s high school, nerds.
Vftdan@thedextriarchy
Prpbably because people were trying to build it with lisp, not backpropagation
Prpbably because people were trying to build it with lisp, not backpropagation
RinostarGames@thedextriarchy I'd settle for SmarterChild again...
MettEagle@thedextriarchy so ai already is exactly like humans then. Big or sad achievement? 🤔
Ian Williamson@thedextriarchy I suspect that Douglas Adams was on the right lines with various computers from the Hitchhikers Guide series.
Ita Ryan@tuckerjj @thedextriarchy He was also right about us being descended from the Golgafrinchams.
Twyk General ServiceAsperger’s syndrome non
Williams-Buren syndrome si
Kevin Karhan 
@thedextriarchy *1st grade math...
Jennifer Slack@thedextriarchy what is most important though is that AI IS being used and WILL be used in spite of flaws and shortcomings. With consequences regardless.
Comics by Xan@thedextriarchy
That Douglas Adams short story implying that Ronald Reagan was an experimental AI has never felt more appropriate
That Douglas Adams short story implying that Ronald Reagan was an experimental AI has never felt more appropriate
Jeremy Kahn@comicsbyxan @thedextriarchy wait
i need to read this do you remember where it was published?
@trochee @thedextriarchy
It was called Young Zaphod Plays it Safe, and it's been published in a few collections I think
It was called Young Zaphod Plays it Safe, and it's been published in a few collections I think