I've been reading and re-reading @robin's post, "The Internet Transition," for days now, and it's stupendous.

It matches and extends every intuition I've had about this new world we're in, and puts it all to words in a seemingly effortless way. I know how much effort it took, because it's the post I've always wished I could have written on the topic. Anyone who cares about governance or structures in our complicated new world should absolutely give it a go.

https://berjon.com/internet-transition/#fn-12

The Internet Transition

The Internet is allowing us to build a richer, more complex society but the way in which we Internet today is failing to support the governance systems that a more complex world requires. I take a look at why these issues are related, try to develop an intuition for a way forward, and point at the emerging field that is coming together to build that future.

Robin Berjon
@robin @blaine V interesting piece. Dealing with the EU and its (often poor quality) politicians each and every day I can relate to a lot of this!

@blaine @robin

The idea of a punctuated equilibrium in organic intelligence and complexity … our planet being right in the middle of a Big Ol’ :exclamationmark: … it’s one I’ve entertained on my own, imagining I might have somehow noticed a pattern that nobody else was talking about.

And now I’m finding more and more people who appear to have arrived at a similar theory, similarly “independently”-ish, and we’re all more or less contemporaries.

I’m feeling like my mind is connecting with some Big Cyborg Energy here.

@Cmdrmoto @blaine @robin truth predicts the future. It stands to reason that the more accurate an idea is, the more likely there will independent replication of the idea in other forms.

For me I have been thinking about this topic in regards to how information online is organized, and how it might be better chunked and monetized to change the way individuals relate to that information. And complexity, in my view, is key to applying a technological solution.

@wordsrweapons @blaine @robin as much as the idea of “monetizing information” leads me to instinctively cringe, I agree that there oughta be *some sort of currency* which can be credited towards accurate information, and debited from falsehoods.

Whether or not that currency resembles “money” - at least in the ways we presently think about “money” - remains an open question.

@Cmdrmoto @blaine @robin oh absolutely. The only reason I think that monetization is necessary is because I don't see a way to get such an infrastructure implemented en masse without being able to interact with the current dominance of capitalism.

Right now information is being monetized based primarily around popularity, with credibility being one factor out of many which determines relative popularity. But credibility should be a different goal entirely, and is arguably more valuable.

@blaine @robin "... somewhere, somehow, through evolutionary iteration, a bunch of individual, independent, single-celled organisms stumbled upon governance principles that made them fitter together. "
@robin @blaine Great piece! I’m also reminded of Stuart Kaufmann’s “At Home in the Universe” (re biology and organisation).
@gklyne @blaine Thanks! That's really good company to be in :) I haven't read At Home in the Universe but I have The Origins of Order right there on my desk!
cc @dredmorbius becos post-geographic, internet-influenced, human society (and its problems/issues)
@blaine Thanks for sharing! Put it on my "to read" list.

@blaine @robin

"Polycentric governance involves similarly overlapping and intersecting institutions that act independently from one another, typically with local knowledge (essentially “using the world as its own model,” which contrasts with bureaucratic legibility), and interact in ways that are typically more robust and (empirically) more effective."

#GoodNotPerfect coalitions of service providers are feeling these pressures now, interested to hear about the empiric part of more effective.

@blaine Amazing piece. Thank you!
@MelmoMacdaffy Thank you! That's very kind.
@blaine Awwww man ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ That means so much.
@blaine @robin This was fascinating. There's some overlap with Jaron Lanier's concept of MIDs as digital bargaining intermediaries: https://hbr.org/2018/09/a-blueprint-for-a-better-digital-society. This is going to be essential if things go met averse-y
A Blueprint for a Better Digital Society

For individuals and platforms, the future requires a fundamental economic shift.

Harvard Business Review

@blaine @robin

I have been interested in this exact topic for over a decade now.

I frame it as advances or evolution of communication, in a physical and social sense. Also as the retention, organization, and sharing of knowledge.

The logarithmic advances might be: first our senses evolved, then, spoken language, then, tabulations, then written language, then printing press, then by telegraph, and then by radio and television, and now by the Internet.

@blaine @robin

All of this was intermixed with tribal life, then religion allowed city states, then philosophy and government evolved alongside religion, and separated from it, and now personal choices, and freedom.

Religion, originally a state pantheon, became personalized through a singular deity and later baptism, and now is measurably dying off with science and culture as replacements. What will government evolve into?

@blaine @robin
In 1854, Abraham Lincoln wrote: "The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves—in their separate, and individual capacities.”

This seems very much in line with the "measure of collective intelligence" in the second paragraph of the Leonard/Levin paper quoted by @robin

Government as a means for fostering "collective intelligence?"

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/26339137221083293

@blaine @robin
Because " No matter how you set things up, the server can ultimately change the rules," we should design systems that limit the scope of control for any one server.

I think this means that servers should be limited in the specific service they provide and that we should have more, more specialized servers while relying on client-resident code to define more of any particular application.

https://berjon.com/internet-transition/#fn-12:~:text=No%20matter%20how%20you%20set%20things%20up%2C%20the%20server%20can%20ultimately%20change%20the%20rules.

The Internet Transition

The Internet is allowing us to build a richer, more complex society but the way in which we Internet today is failing to support the governance systems that a more complex world requires. I take a look at why these issues are related, try to develop an intuition for a way forward, and point at the emerging field that is coming together to build that future.

Robin Berjon
@bobwyman @blaine If you take that (good) idea just a few steps further you're basically in peer-to-peer land. Peer systems are designed like institutions.

@robin @blaine
Rather than saying that all should be peer-to-peer, I think it makes more sense to say that properly designed systems would be "peer-to-peer-capable."

For instance, ActivityPub gives me an Inbox. I could host that on my own site, for peer-to-peer operation, or, I could delegate its maintenance to some more central server (in order to gain efficiencies, reduced maintenance, etc.) But, my client should be largely insensitive to that choice.

@bobwyman Well, *maybe*. This is in fact something on which I owe @blaine a response from a while ago. I'm not sure whether, or under which conditions, being capable of a good property (rather than being constrained to it) is sufficient for capture-resistance.

Email is just like what you describe; it's also ~85% owned by Google.

@robin @blaine
I question whether any technical architecture can prevent capture, but believe that some approaches can increase capture-resistance.

In general, strengthening the ability to compute at the edges, and thus route around large incumbent central providers, will allow at least some independence.

Unfortunately, the current Web architecture prevents capture-resistance by relying on dumb browsers whose capabilities are controlled by the sites that they access.

@blaine @robin It is well written, indeed. Thank you for sharing it.
@blaine fascinating. So much depth there.