Apparently, this photo of Jamie Lee Curtis is controversial.
I don't see what the big deal is. People want to see Jamie Lee Curtis, and Jamie Lee Curtis wants to be seen.
I suspect it's because certain people hate the notion that older women continue to exist in the public eye—specifically, as women.
How society thinks:
"Yay! So glad that actress is 18! Can't wait to see saucy photos of her now that she's legal!"
But also:
"Gross! That 64-year-old actress bothered to do a tasty photo shoot for Vogue Magazine! That should be illegal!"
We should celebrate more older women being in the public eye. They deserve to be seen.
And not just as mothers or grandmothers.
As women too—because women are so much more than their status as caretakers.
As I said elsewhere, Jamie Lee Curtis can wear whatever she wants.
In fact, this is what she wore in Everything Everywhere All at Once.
This was her real self. No touch ups, concealers, or body shapers.
@atomicpoet Julia Louis-Dreyfus turned 62 today, and I'd rather watch her today than 30 years ago.
Mostly 'cause I hated Seinfeld.🤷♂️
@pennyivy No, don't go away. And please be a bother 🙂
I, for one, think people should know you exist.
Men think like that maybe.
Women think , (well at least this one does), it sucks that to get noticed women of any age have to take their clothes off.
(and "legal" for what?)
There are also people who complain about young women being in "saucy photos" too.
But AFAICT — the type of person who complains about young women in "saucy photos" tends to be different than the type of person who complains old woman in "saucy photos".
@aka_quant_noir @atomicpoet The black dress looks odd to me, like it’s a single RGB value the whole thing. Like a cut out.
I can see someone photoshopping this one for fun.
Curtis is an icon, ‘nuff said about that.
@atomicpoet articles like these are always so gross. “Look we found crappy people on Twitter who said a thing”.
You can always find people on Twitter saying a thing. Does that make the topic “controversial”?
@brewster If people are scandalized, then it is controversial.
Further, this response was predictable. It's an attitude that pervades whenever women do something outside society's boundaries.
In this case, an older woman decided to wear a dress instead of frumpy, baggy clothes.
What's wrong with wearing comfortable clothes? "Frumpy", now there's a judgement for ya.
Because I choose to wear comfortable clothes, and I'm an older woman, I'm "frumpy", (what does frumpy even mean?).
I find it sad that women, (of any age), who excel in a profession, or are just good at their job, only get noticed when they show their bits to the world of judgemental twats.
lol and because some Actor wears a dress with her bits showing, she's somehow a feminist icon? 🤮
Sometimes I just hate this fucking human world.
really? I've always thought of her as an actor, a good one. I've never really understood the idolisation of other people though.
I've never been a "fan" of anyone really, apart from a couple of months in Primary School where I was a bit obsessed with "hello kitty", but then she was a cat.
@Susan60 @brewster @atomicpoet
It's the view that somehow doing these things makes her some sort of feminist icon, that makes me cringe.
It may be "empowering" for her to show her body to the world, etc, but for most of us that isn't something we would want to do.
I don't actually give a shit what men think of my ageing body, (or other women for that matter), it's really none of their business. And I don't have "admiration" for those that put nude photos out for public consumption, I don't have any judgement about what they do, but I'm not going to get sucked into putting them on a pedestal because they do this.
Yet this shit is so pervasive, how is not dying her hair, something to be lauded for? Why does it matter to anyone if she dyes her hair or not?
lol, it's quite clear she is being celebrated already, and this has topic has become about an Actor, instead of older women being celebrated.
Fascinating.
@Susan60 @brewster @atomicpoet
I have no issue with what other people find inspiring, but they seem to have an issue with the fact that I don't find their "icons" inspiring, and get indignant and defensive if I don't laud their idea of a feminist.
Each to their own. If women find other women showing off their bodies for public consumption inspiring, or helpful to them, that's fine, I personally just find it hard to understand how this "helps" them. It's why getting another persons view is so valuable. You actually help me understand this better. Thank you.
@Susan60 @brewster @atomicpoet
I don't have a problem with people disagreeing, in fact it actually helps to understand an issue from different sides, I tend to miss a lot of social cues, and find it easier with text based stuff.
I find people defending celebrities a bit weird though, it's not like they know them personally, or that celebrity even knows they exist.
I've met a few famous people in my lifetime, and they really are very different from the media portrayal of them, so I tend to not put too much weight on how the media either pump them up, or put them down.
lol, I do scroll on most of the time. On this instance though, (neurodiversity-in.au), it feels safer to explore some topics that would be seen as dangerous ground elsewhere on the Fediverse.
@stephen @atomicpoet @brewster
It's not about "fashion" so much with women, more about ageism and sexism together.
I like comfortable baggy clothes, I'm really aware of the texture of different fabrics, and the tightness or restriction of clothes, (it's part of my autism).
lol I've never found showing my private bits empowering, it just makes me sad that humans haven't evolved much at all. In fact I'd say we are devolving, if some Actor flashing her bits, whatever age, is somehow seen as controversial, or radical, it's just sad.
@JudeNunga @brewster Jamie Lee Curtis can wear whatever she wants. In fact, she just received praise for playing this character in Everything Everywhere All at Once.
https://people.com/movies/jamie-lee-curtis-didnt-want-to-conceal-her-body-for-new-film-role/
and? Isn't acting her job?
@JudeNunga @brewster Yes, and here's statistics regarding gender and Hollywood.
* Male median age for Hollywood actors: 61.3 years
* Female median age for Hollywood actresses: 39.8 years
As actresses get older, opportunities tend to diminish.
I simply think it's nice when older women get seen in movies and television.
Fair enough, I don't really care about Hollywood, or actors in general. It's never been of much interest.
Sexism is everywhere, most of it goes unnoticed because it is so prevalent , casual sexism infects every part of this world, and most don't even realise they are engaging in it.
@JudeNunga @brewster I generally think people should have the opportunity to be seen on their own terms. Or unseen if that's what you prefer.
And I do think that there's a narrow sample of women being seen right now.
Most people are ignored precisely because they are just ordinary people, they aren't wealthy, they aren't beautiful, they have no power, or whatever.
I'd like to see less people to be honest. I'm tired of seeing the faces of celebrities, politicians, criminals, etc.
The only way for many women to be seen is to do what Curtis is doing, showing off her bits to a judgemental bunch of people to condemn or fawn over, publicly. Most men have to actually be good at something, or an arsehole or criminal, to get noticed. They don't often get judged solely on their looks or age.
@JudeNunga @brewster That's not fair to Jamie Lee Curtis.
She has decades of experience as an actress in a wide variety of genres. She's done everything: horror, drama, comedy, sci-fi. And she's taken risks too.
The other thing is, physical fitness is not a superficial thing. We're not just brains. We're also flesh and blood that exist in the meatspace.
Jamie Lee Curtis puts a lot of work into what she does, and she's good at it.
lol yeah ok, I don't know much about Actors or movies, so I'm gonna leave this convo.
I do know about being a woman , and being an older woman, and being a feminist, but hey you guys go on.
Never said she wasn't good at acting, clearly she is, and has been.
However , her acting is not the issue, neither is her age or physical state.
What is the "meatspace" ? And physical appearance is by it's nature a superficial thing. Who said anything about "fitness"?
@JudeNunga @brewster Meatspace as opposed to cyperspace. The flesh and blood world we all inhabit when we're not online.
Maybe you don't have much regard for the physical world. But people spend their whole lives dedicated to the pursuit of aesthetics because art is what makes life worth living.
Personally, I love music, movies, photography, and fashion. They all reveal something about the human condition.
@atomicpoet I hadn't heard that term before, no need to get snarky.
I don't particularly like movies, but do enjoy other forms of art, and as an Artist myself, I appreciate the creativity of others. As for the physical world, I feel most at peace in nature. The human world, not so much.
@JudeNunga I'm actually not being snarky. I'm trying to explain a term.
Like you, I'm autistic.
@JudeNunga It's more like you said, "physical appearance is by it's nature a superficial thing".
I disagree. I don't think physical appearance is superficial.
It gives us an avenue for incredible self-expression.
Some of my favorite artists do incredible things through the power of bodily interaction.
For example, Yoko Ono's amazing "Cut Piece".
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