πŸ€”Why did Brazil arrest 400 insurrectionists on the same day as the insurrection? Degree of difficulty very low! Unimpressive!

Why didn't their security force just let the insurrectionists walk away, and then wait for unpaid volunteer anti-fascist groups to painstakingly build their cases for them through video analysis and online detective work, and then only arrest a fraction of the violent people over a year later with some light charges? Degree of difficulty:10/10! Now that's impressive!πŸ¦…πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡²

@mekkaokereke Perhaps because Trump and his gang still controlled the executive at that time, when in Brazil, Lula is already in charge?
@martinvermeer @mekkaokereke true. Also, they beat the hell out of the police. If the National Guard had gotten there earlier they probably could have hooked them all up. Sure would have been easier. They might have gotten to Trump and others earlier.

@Debnumbers @martinvermeer

1) The executive branch doesn't control the FBI. That's, kind of the whole point?

2) If a state capitol were overrun with heavily armed protestors (some in boogaloo shirts!) threatening harm to the governor and public health officials, presumably the governor would use some of the government resources to make immediate arrests? Nope.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zXXFf0Q2bcU

It doesn't matter who's in charge. In US we let these people run wild, even though that's not working for us

Armed protesters enter Michigan's state capitol demanding end to coronavirus lockdown

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@Debnumbers @martinvermeer If those Michigan protesters were armed and Black, you already know what would've happened. The difference in response is not based on who is in charge.

In the US, first we let violent insurrectionists do whatever they want, as long as they are the right color.

Then we make excuses for us letting the violent insurrectionists do whatever they want.

Then we genuinely wonder why things are bad, and seem to be getting worse.

@Debnumbers @martinvermeer In the US, there are very strict rules about who is allowed to protest and act the fool, and who is not. Everyone knows this. Many of us pretend not to know it.

White folk that are anti-racist do not pretend not to know this. β™₯οΈπŸ‘πŸΏ They use it to their advantage to shield Black protesters. Like this:

https://youtu.be/aXl0K3DjeHw

A few white kids neutralized an entire line of police with shields!

Or this:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VO48yIoxuXw&t=49s

A few white and Asian folks shielded him!

White girl shields her body in front of the black guy repeatedly she was raised right

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@Debnumbers @martinvermeer The flip side of "over punishing Black folk for appropriate, peaceful, protest" is "under punishing white folk for inappropriate, violent, protest."

It's the other side of the same racist coin.

@mekkaokereke @martinvermeer I do see white privilege and the fact that I benefit from it. I recognize how I'm treated compared with how Black women are treated. I was raised right. I grew up in the country and all our neighbors were black. They were the kids I rode bikes with, built forts, and fished with. I didn't realize we were treated differently until I was about 8 when I was called a N-word lover. It was a rude awakening.

@Debnumbers @mekkaokereke Hmm. I grew up in the #Netherlands in a solidly white society. Not until high school did I meet darker-skinned people from #Suriname. Now NL never had slavery like the US, but that doesn't make us innocent: there was a corporation called the #VOC who 'owned' #Indonesia - even having their own military - and ran it essentially like a plantation. Dutch prosperity was built on this exploitation. So yes, #WhitePrivilege...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Havelaar

#colonialism #MaxHavelaar

Max Havelaar - Wikipedia

@mekkaokereke @martinvermeer I agree. If the Capitol had been attacked by Black people I fear there would have been bloodshed. Every march I went to in Louisville for Breonna Taylor we were always roughed up by the police. I only said they probably weren't arrested at the Capitol because they didn't have the manpower though I saw some cops just standing around. Trump didn't want anyone arrested because they were β€œhis” people.
@Debnumbers @mekkaokereke And that they didn't have the manpower, and that the National Guard came late, was by careful design. The racialized police brutality issue, real as it is, doesn't come into this.

@mekkaokereke Because sometimes it's better to let the perp walk so you don't die and and can continue gathering intel from them?

That and capacity for holding?

Idk everything is a fucking mess? Never should have happened?

Just awful, all ways.
Never should have happened.

@verb πŸ€”Walk for a year? And as I pointed out, most of the "Intel" was gathered by online anti-fascists, and so embarrassingly obvious that the authorities had to bring charges. I really don't think folks realize how much *high definition footage* authorities already have of the capital building, and most of DC. And they have civil liberties abusing Patriot Acts and other terrible surveillance laws. What are those laws for if not for this? Oh yeah, locking up Black folk.

@verb And "capacity for holding" is not a credible statement.

We have over a million US citizens locked up pre-trial for non-violent offenses. We found capacity for them. We found capacity for BLM protesters. We found capacity for migrant children and their families.

We only talk about capacity issues when things like this happen.

This is not an argument for increasing prison capacity. This is pointing out that the right to protest isn't real if it's applied so differently based on race.

@mekkaokereke Hey. Sorry I thought we were talking about Brazil. Didn't realise you were referring to the US. Very different story there, I agree.
@mekkaokereke idk why people are treating these questions as a non rhetorical opportunity to make excuses for the USA πŸ™„
@mekkaokereke There is a simple answer: in the US the insurrectionists controlled the executive branch of government. Here in Brazil, they do not.
mekka okereke :verified: (@[email protected])

@[email protected] @[email protected] 1) The executive branch doesn't control the FBI. That's, kind of the whole point? 2) If a state capitol were overrun with heavily armed protestors (some in boogaloo shirts!) threatening harm to the governor and public health officials, presumably the governor would use some of the government resources to make immediate arrests? Nope. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zXXFf0Q2bcU It doesn't matter who's in charge. In US we let these people run wild, even though that's not working for us

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@mekkaokereke Brazil's forces will never be able to build their case for promo with that attitude.
@mekkaokereke #Bolsonaro is in #OrlandoFlorida because why not. #DeSantis takes him in with open fascist arms.
@mekkaokereke yes! while some Brazilians are taking notes from us, we would do well to take notes from them…
@mekkaokereke they aren't worried about optics. I hate the recent use of that word.
@mekkaokereke Coincidentally this came up in my memories this morning.
@mekkaokereke
Because the people fomenting the insurrection weren't in charge while it was going on. MAGAts were all in place during ours.
mekka okereke :verified: (@[email protected])

@[email protected] @[email protected] 1) The executive branch doesn't control the FBI. That's, kind of the whole point? 2) If a state capitol were overrun with heavily armed protestors (some in boogaloo shirts!) threatening harm to the governor and public health officials, presumably the governor would use some of the government resources to make immediate arrests? Nope. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zXXFf0Q2bcU It doesn't matter who's in charge. In US we let these people run wild, even though that's not working for us

Hachyderm.io
@mekkaokereke Agent: "What do you call this act?" Performers (in "Aristocrats" voice): "AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM!"

@mekkaokereke that was so not very impressive. The insurrection was being talked about the whole week, there were people arriving by bus, there were warnings, but the Bolsoasno-aligned governor and its police decided to let it happen.

Granted, that one governor was temporality put away and the federal government is intervening and in charge of security, but still...

@mekkaokereke If there is one thing we've learned from sociology and criminology, it's that people are more likely to respect the law if reaction to crimes is swift, fair, and gentle (though the latter is criticized by hardliners who crave seeing punishment).

The Brazilians seem to be handling this well.