Did you watch the "Kevin McCarthy's tormentors" this week?

I did. During which I kept thinking of this piece published in the Washington Post in 2012 by Norm Ornstein and Tom Mann.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/lets-just-say-it-the-republicans-are-the-problem/2012/04/27/gIQAxCVUlT_story.html

It's difficult to describe how utterly establishment Mann and Ornstein were at the time. One was at Brookings, the other at American Enterprise Institute.

They saw what was happening: The GOP's attack on all institutions. The press didn't want to know. Now it does.

#journalism #uspolitics

Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.

Republicans have become more extreme than Democrats.

The Washington Post
@jayrosen_nyu Only took them 50 years.

@GuitarGirl

It only took who 50 years to do what?

@jayrosen_nyu For our illustrious press to consider the possibility—that maybe —there’s a slight chance—the rotting GOP is THE problem, has always been the problem, and that this isn’t a “both sides” issue. #WinOneForTheGrifter

@jayrosen_nyu I remember Ornstein appearing on Comedy Central to read from Marilyn Quayle's book back in 1992. I knew then he was not a typical AEI type...

Speaking of attacks, the Democrats should now exploit the "one person threshold" and move to vacate the chair every morning of every day until this Congress goes sine die...

@jayrosen_nyu this was apt: “The post-McGovern Democratic Party, by contrast, while losing the bulk of its conservative Dixiecrat contingent in the decades after the civil rights revolution, has retained a more diverse base. Since the Clinton presidency, it has hewed to the center-left on issues from welfare reform to fiscal policy. While the Democrats may have moved from their 40-yard line to their 25, the Republicans have gone from their 40 to somewhere behind their goal post.”
@jayrosen_nyu I remember when it seemed like Norm Ornstein was quoted in half the articles and was a regular on McNeil-Leher. Not exactly a rabble rouser.
@jayrosen_nyu
They were both ostracized for years. Norman Orenstein was all over TV as a political commentator. Then suddenly he wasn’t.
@kyron Correct.
@jayrosen_nyu @kyron And who pulled the strings on that? It wasn’t that the press didn’t want to see the problem, it was intentionally ignored—especially by those in leadership.
@jayrosen_nyu Wow. Interesting article, they were almost prescient.
@shakespearenut @jayrosen_nyu The thing is democrats were saying the exact same things since Gingrich, but the media didn't pay attention until a couple of conservatives admitted it. Then the media quickly forgot about it and went back to "both sides".
The real problem is the media is owned by billionaires and that mentality trickles down to the editors.
@jayrosen_nyu Amazing how spot on they were. Really glad you are transitioning to this site. Hope you will stick around.
@jayrosen_nyu Do you really think the press /wants/ to? They’re doing it, but it seems more like doing so dragged kicking and screaming…

@janakj Wants to recognize that Mann and Ornstein were right back then? Who said that?

No, I don't think they want to recognize it. But events got too extreme— so they had to.

@jayrosen_nyu "It is clear that the center of gravity in the Republican Party has shifted sharply to the right." Ten years ago Orstein and Mann wrote in WaPo.
@jayrosen_nyu they certainly got it right. Trump was a logical next phase. We’ve got to be very wary of the next one. I’m not optimistic.
@jayrosen_nyu Wow, they absolutely nailed it. And since then, the media has leaned even further into "both sidesism" and the GOP has completely fallen over the furthest right bank of the cliff.

@jayrosen_nyu Thank you. Describes the problem, best media response, best voter response, and "Otherewise, our politics will get worse before it gets better." From 2012, great foresight, but then I remember both names as linked to serious thinking.

Here in Oz, had missed this bit:

"Norquist, meanwhile, founded Americans for Tax Reform in 1985 and rolled out his Taxpayer Protection Pledge the following year. The pledge, which binds its signers to never support a tax increase (that includes closing tax loopholes), had been signed as of last year by 238 of the 242 House Republicans and 41 of the 47 GOP senators, according to ATR. The Norquist tax pledge has led to other pledges, on issues such as climate change, that create additional litmus tests that box in moderates and make cross-party coalitions nearly impossible. For Republicans concerned about a primary challenge from the right, the failure to sign such pledges is simply too risky."

@jayrosen_nyu

I thought the point of the KM Tormentors show was that it gave the mainstream media the chance to portray the wingnut crazy KM as a normal republican
and the media fell for it

also pushed Jan6th anniversery off the front page, and people like Boebert got interview on TV
overall win win for GOP

@jayrosen_nyu The press knows, but there's little sign that it will change its practices to reflect that knowledge.
@jayrosen_nyu Obama knew before it was cool that Ornstein was spot on & he knew Flynn was bad news. It matters who leaders are. It matters who they attract & who they are attracted to.
@jayrosen_nyu Media, especially mainstream, as was as Fox, have been instrumental in the spiral of justice and the American political process.
I don't care at all what some may descrie...the proof is in the headlines, the articles, the polls and the BS

@jayrosen_nyu

The usual reminder that however "whacked" Rs are on social policy, the Ds are no respite. We keep suffering the "ratchet effect" where Ds compromise something away, and are never 'rewarded' by the Rs for it, so things continue to slide right.

What the Ds need is a genuine Socialist opposition, but then nobody would see a reason to vote for Rs OR Ds, which is why the emergence of a Socialist opposition is so firmly resisted.

@jayrosen_nyu

The press still doesn't want to know. Many of the larger outlets are hiring center-right to right-wing pundits in the name of "both sides", playing right into the hard-right'shands

@jayrosen_nyu I remember hearing them on Brian Lehrer that year promoting the book thinking that theirs was a spot on analysis and hoping people would listen. Instead it ended up being a particularly grim set of predictions that have definitely come true.

@jayrosen_nyu Wow! "The GOP has become an insurgent outlier in American politics. It is ideologically extreme; scornful of compromise; unmoved by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition."

However true that was in 2012, it is doubly so in the post-Trump era.

@jayrosen_nyu The only "sane" future I can see is a schism in the Republican party, with a center-right faction calling bullshit and leaving the party. 50-100 reasonable centrists who consider serving the country more important than their political future.

A pipe dream, probably, but it could happen...

@jayrosen_nyu I'd start with the states that have passed RCV or run-off elections for recruitment: Alaska, Maine, Georgia, Nevada.
@jayrosen_nyu Jay I don't know that the republican were the problem with the speaker vote. After two or three votes we should have had 30 democrats vote for McCarthy. All this would have been avoided.

@neutrino78x

Why are you directing your trolling at me?

@jayrosen_nyu It's not trolling, man. You said the Republicans are the problem, I would say specifically far right wing maga Republicans are the problem.

But specifically with the House Speaker vote, I stand by my post.

What was more important: voting for Hakeem Jefferies or having a functional legislative branch? How long were we (democrats) going to let it continue before we intervened?

@neutrino78x

That's good that you stand by your idea. Please leave me out of it. Thank you.

@jayrosen_nyu Yeah all the quiet parts are out loud now. It'd celebrated and encouraged by real voters. I remember many people knowing this since the 2000's.

@jayrosen_nyu "Since the Clinton presidency, it has hewed to the center-left on issues from welfare reform to fiscal policy. While the Democrats may have moved from their 40-yard line to their 25, the Republicans have gone from their 40 to somewhere behind their goal post."

Interesting how little the wind direction has changed.

It left out a similar bit about the Koch brothers primarying a couple of climate-aware Southern GOP reps to intimidate them all into denying climate change.

@jayrosen_nyu too bad nobody listened at the time. We had a chance to right the ship.
@jayrosen_nyu
"We understand the values of mainstream journalists, including the effort to report both sides of a story. But a balanced treatment of an unbalanced phenomenon distorts reality."
@jayrosen_nyu "a balanced treatment of an unbalanced phenomenon distorts reality" should be carved in marble at the J schools
@jayrosen_nyu After several consecutive decades of Republicans’ being the problem, it’s nice to see it acknowledged.

@jayrosen_nyu Yep.
“‘Both sides do it’ or ‘There is plenty of blame to go around’ are the traditional refuges for an American news media intent on proving its lack of bias... Many self-styled bipartisan groups, in their search for common ground, propose solutions that move both sides to the center, a strategy that is simply untenable when one side is so far out of reach.”

Not seeing any lies.

@jayrosen_nyu And yet, the press continues the “both-sidesism”.
@jayrosen_nyu What is quite puzzling to me is that many ordinary citizens understood from at least as early as 1994 that the GOP was a purely destructive force and yet insiders like Mann and Ornstein took about two decades to say it out loud.

@DaMaGerRSD

I do not participate in this "when did the GOP start becoming a purely destructive force?" question.

For reasons I do not understand it's become a listless game of oneupmanship.

@jayrosen_nyu you have a point. It certainly doesn’t add much light.
@jayrosen_nyu Yet on reflection. I do think that analysis would place that moment in the mid nineties. Of course, in my youth Halleck and Dirksen were demons but that is not a tenable assessment. But the movement to establish minority rule does I believe date from the nineties, when, as Charlie Pierce often observes, the prion disease infected the GOP. Perhaps it is important to get the onset right if we are to understand the problem.
@DaMaGerRSD Maybe start dates, like definitions, are made for use, and the problem is not to determine when it "really" started but to show what we gain by starting the story with, say, Gingrich in '94. Or Wallace in '68.
@jayrosen_nyu Yes. To my mind, one of the keys to pinning down the disappearance of a good faith second party would be to trace the GOP reaction to right wing vigilantism and acceptance of the challenges to Federal law. The Reagan Administration covers the period when naked racism was folded into lofty rhetoric and economic gibberish to create the modern GOP. I am certain the heavy lifting to make th case has been done.