one of the reasons qbasic was so successful was because it came preinstalled on your OS and it came with everything. input, text, graphics, sound, even "music" through the PLAY command, even a built in help catalogue detailing how it all worked

the only way to get that same experience today is to use a fantasy console

@eniko yeah, we went from creative & sciences oriented machines (desktops) to locked-in consumption driven devices (mobiles)

@bug
even on desktops and workstations you have to get your programming tools from somewhere on most OSes.

@eniko

@oblomov @bug yeah, desktops aren't really much better for this in the modern day