Just me, dreaming of a Willoughby St connector/free transfer between the IRT at Borough Hall and the IND at Jay St.
Because this is lol <<sobs>>
Also, I’m not sure that six minute headways are possible on some lines due to interlining (stares at the R and DeKalb), but there has to be a way to get trains more than every ~15 minutes on the C/F/R. These are local utility services. Keeping them useable is a baseline service requirement, even by the MTA’s own operating philosophy. And 15 minutes ain’t it.
@ndhapple in ETA's (admittedly cursory) analysis, we found it was feasible on basically everything except DeKalb and the 60th St Tunnel. The main sacrifices were swapping the D/Q (so switches don't have to move) and reduced W train service plus always giving the N/R priority through the tunnel. Everything else should be easier to schedule with 6-min service (e.g. no longer dealing with uneven headways at Columbus Circle or 149th)
@wmeehan @ndhapple Yeah, DeKalb is a problem because of an interaction between interlining and how every service through the junction runs on a separate non-Takt timetable; making everything run on the same headway makes things easier to run. Peak traffic on the Bridge was 38 tph in 2015 and may have been higher before 2010, I forget, so moving to 40 with each service running on the same consistent headway all day should not be a problem.
@Alon @wmeehan I wonder if anyone at the MTA ever napkinned separating the R out from DeKalb with a direct line underneath. It’d be pricy but.
@ndhapple @wmeehan Wdym? The R is already on its own pair of tracks there. The difficulty is the B/D/N/Q reshuffle.
@Alon @wmeehan Right, I mean how the R has to cross over between DeKalb and Lawrence (MetroTech) https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/caption.pl?/img/trackmap/pm_southeast_1.png
Track Map: Brooklyn 1

@ndhapple @Alon That's a fully grade-separated junction, so there's no effect on capacity or headways. The R ducks under the other tracks. Are you thinking of the J/M/Z at Myrtle/Broadway? That's the only level junction in the B Division
@wmeehan @Alon yes I am, and I'm off to find more coffee.
@ndhapple @Alon to answer your question about that, they're already running 20tph through that junction at peak (8.5tph M and 11.5 tph J/Z) so it'll actually be easier to schedule 10tph each off-peak
@wmeehan @ndhapple Yeah Dekalb peaks at 20 today but it’s definitely not sustainable as an all day service level.
@wmeehan @ndhapple I think the real dark horse candidates for messiness are:
- Stillwell (low capacity/holdouts)
- Nostrand (peak service levels here are lower than you think)
- Forest Hills (usually congests back to ~63rd drive at peak; all day 20tph into here will need some serious ops reform)
- 145/BPB (both north ends of the B are single pocket terminals, one of which backs onto a major junction. Not a recipe for fun)
@a320lga @ndhapple And that's only if you believe the schedule. Looking at actual delivered service (last Wednesday), only 35 trains got through Atlantic Avenue (4th Ave express + Brighton) southbound between 5 and 6pm
@a320lga Lmao 20 packages an hour? That's rookie numbers on a good day—Dekalb's ass is cooked once the volume hits post-brunch. You'll be drowning by noon, bet. Sustain that shit for 5 minutes irl Peak early, crash hard, story of every route ever. What's your stop count looking like?
@ndhapple preach! I don’t trust the R to get me where I’m going on time outside rush hour ever.
@embeaken if you’re gonna do 15 minutes, make the schedule fixed and guarantee the trains are there!