It’s funny how recognizing AI art nowadays is just the same old rules as recognizing the fae in old tales.

“Count the fingers, count the knuckles, count the teeth, check the shadows…”

… and under NO circumstances should you make deals with their kind.

I’ve started getting replies of that kind, and I’d like to politely invite fans of AI generators to take their proselytizing elsewhere.

I did NOT live through machine translation’s methodical ravaging of the translation industry, only for y’all to welcome the same ghouls into the one last refuge I have.

On one hand I’m glad that almost two thousand interactions on this post have only produced one Annoying Reply Guy™, on the other hand I’m irritated that there was still one.

So, piece of advice for AI proselytizers: the only opinion of mine you can hope to change is on whether YOU have enough basic intelligence to understand the words “don’t even try to talk me into thinking well of AI generators”.

@erkhyan if your talent can be replaced by a machine, easily and reliably (these are important criteria though) then you did not have a talent in the first place.

I'm all in for human excellence but what you just displayed is pure ignorance.

@smicur Where’s the latte for the AI slave? It wanted the latte 15 minutes ago.

@erkhyan

@smicur I’d like to reply you in machine translation, but unfortunately a few weeks ago Google Translate decided that the English “pink slip”, translated into my native language as “light red panties”.

@erkhyan frankly, Google Translate is a steaming pile of dogshit just like more and more service Google provides due to them being overblown and a control-freak privacy nightmare.

At least at that part, we don't disagree.

(don't get me wrong, I understand they invest billions in machine learning, it's just that Translate is not quite there yet, they are absolutely dominated by DeepL)

@smicur @erkhyan
> I'm all in for human excellence…

I don't believe you. Your reply doesn't give off "Be excellent to each other" vibes at all.

@smicur Shut the fuck up, that's not only plain wrong but straight up an evil thing to say

@book to be fair, the definition of "talent" is not very precisely defined, it can always be up to debate. In literature, literary translation definitely has such requirement.

As for the morality of replacing talent, well morality is also very subjective. On my behalf I refuse that there was anything inherently wrong in what I said.

If your abilities are replacable, and someone decides to do so, well, that's pretty fucking normal. That's half part why we have the job market.

@erkhyan this is also a trick I've used to confirm I'm in a dream before. Just looking at my hands. Over time I've found easier ways than counting fingers though.
@elexia @erkhyan One time I confirmed I was in a dream because I looked at my watch and it said it was 16:21 AM .
@Potatofox @elexia @erkhyan that happened to me once but I wasn't dreaming, just made a mistake while hacking my banglejs smartwatch
@elexia @erkhyan I once dreamed i was watching a star trek TNG episode. Knew it was a dream because i'd never seen it before.

@erkhyan

Oh, jeez, what a big, beautiful bag of story seeds that is. I love it.

@erkhyan Can I quote you on that?
@drwho My post is merely paraphrasing something I’ve read elsewhere, it would be unfair for me to tell someone they can’t quote or paraphrase me in turn… 😉

@erkhyan Still polite.

Credit anonymous, or...?

@drwho Anonymous in this case, yes. The source is a tag lost somewhere on Tumblr.
@erkhyan sounds like fiction writing cue 😁
@erkhyan It's also a technique one can use to trigger lucid dreaming, people in dreams don't have the right number of fingers either.
@tin @erkhyan This is a big part why AI art is seen less as art and more like computer dreams in my eyes
@tin @erkhyan this week i was reading of parallels between dreaming and AI, wow.
@erkhyan pitch: a story where it looks like a fantasy folktale about humans and the fey and the reader gradually realizes it's a far-future world and the "fey" are, like, ancient/autonomously evolving artificial constructs
@nev @erkhyan a lot of Hugh Cook's w/w series is basically this.

@nev @erkhyan

The Elder Race by Adrian Tchaikovsky
https://www.amazon.com/Elder-Race-Adrian-Tchaikovsky-ebook/dp/B08QGJHS7N/

Set in the far flung future on another planet entirely, it features a princess (proper) a Grand Sorcerer (not even close, yet also.. close enough) and a "Demon" ravaging the countryside, threatening all the kingdom. One of my favorite authors.

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@ZenithAstralis @erkhyan I love the Children of Time series (can't remember the proper name for it) but haven't read any of his other work, will have to check that one out!
@erkhyan Maybe it's hidden programming from the last time we tried this and it collapsed all of civilization
@erkhyan well this just made my day 😂💚🧡
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Rules to live by in any time 😉
@erkhyan this makes really clear the relationship between recognizing one of The Good People and the uncanny valley; never thought about it before but it makes a lot of sense.
And it brings back the question of why we evolved with this instinctive response for recognizing something not quite human.

@UnrealRonen @erkhyan Human descent is a braided tangle of various hominin clades.

If we hadn't had the uncanny valley "like us?" filter from a long way back, we wouldn't have that evolutionary history. Speciation events would have been much sharper.

@UnrealRonen @erkhyan Because some of them are capitalized Evil. We call it by many names because the ones who are good at it can act from different mental syndromes: psychopathology, narcissistic, etc.

And yet not all of them, of any syndrome, necessarily trigger my alarms.

By the time their eyes and face form into the Mask of Sanity (name of an early work on the subject) I get a very_bad vibe. These are the hard-core selfish who resist engaging with their own humanity, and refuse to acknowledge anyone else's.

My first big corporate job I nonetheless made waves. Because there was a salesman in the organization who kept hanging out in the lobby at the times it was my turn to sub for lunch at the receptionist desk.

I asked management to tell him not to do that anymore because his vibe drove me crazy. He just sat there and did paperwork but I was very uncomfortable. Fortunately he was told not to do this, and stopped. He subsequently left the company.

About two years later he was arrested and convicted for kidnapping and rape. So I do listen to my feelings. That was a good lesson in knowing what I felt, and acting on it.

It's especially crucial since we have a whole western society built on: "The emperor does too have clothes!"

@erkhyan i rather like AI art. It is just only mixing up all kinds of Art that allready exist. AI is still only a copy cat.
@erkhyan just carry some Cold Iron with you, they hate that
@erkhyan I personally love the ones where it makes centipedes out of everything. Instead of a waistline, it's always more shoulders and torsos.
@erkhyan
Yes, but will it vanish if you wave iron/steel at it? Cos some of this stuff...now where did I put my Swiss army knife...

@erkhyan: One day, we'll get to make friends with AI.

It'll be a lot harder if humans will have invented a lot of nasty fairy tales about AI not wanting to be friendly by then.

@riley @erkhyan today's AI is not intelligent, it's just pretend intelligent. Like a jacquard loom it can mass produce something that appears complex, but is actually very limited. It'll require new regulations and controls to make it useful to society, and it will disrupt some roles but not as much as imagined currently.
@erkhyan A fried is trying lucid dreaming and the advice is the same there too btw. You're supposed to look at your hands to see if you're dreaming.... This is the also how you tell the robots apart from the humans in the OG Westworld. Hands are just hard.
@erkhyan And often something not quite right about the eyes.
@erkhyan , we're implementing all our old myths as technology. Another example: The Internet combines the astral plane with the Akashic Records.
@erkhyan On the one hand this is funny, on the other hand I know fey are neurodiverse-coded and the old tales are just to justify mistrusting people who are different from others, so I have mixed feelings 😕​
@simon I think I like the one on the middle right the best.
@erkhyan See? We always knew those old tales held wisdom we could use in the current day! lol And not just that flakey, motivational poster jazz like "be true to your heart" or "have courage," but actual, practical knowledge.
@erkhyan
Count the knuckles, fingers, teeth
Check the shadows underneath
If you're careful as I say
Clever you can spot the (f)AI