the 4 types of national anthems:

- Gosh, This Sure is an Attractive Piece of Land We've Got Here

- That One War in Particular was a Doozy

- We Only Sing Parts of This Song Now Because the Other Verses are Racist

- We Speak French and We Will Fucking Kill You

@VeryBadLlama
Whatever country has an anthem like number 3?

@Janko @VeryBadLlama

History Time!

Before he wrote the US National anthem, Francis Scott Key tried to play soldier boy in the war of 1812. He fought in the Battle of Bladenburg near DC where ~7K US forces fought ~4K British. The heavily outnumbered Brits had a group of paid soldiers called the Colonial Marines that included some Black dudes✊🏿

Brits said, "Yo slaves! Let us train you as soldiers! You will get paid to kill slavers!"

You already know what happened next.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Cze5A4iyQGk

Game of Thrones Season 4: Episode #3 Clip - Dany's Speech (HBO)

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@Janko @VeryBadLlama

The Brits won the battle so decisively that they pushed on from Bladensburg and burned Washington DC., including the building that we call the White House today.

The White House was already white, but people didn't call it that. After their victory at Bladensburg, the British burned DC. Soot everywhere!

After the US rebuilt the city, the building was shining white. People started calling it the White House.

https://www.whitehousehistory.org/photos/burned-white-house-painting

The US side had a few Black soldiers too! They received a similar promise of freedom. But the Black US soldiers were disappointed in the skill and resolve of some of their white peers. Charles Ball said (in 1814 language), "Bro! Why are y'all running away? We're fighting for our freedom and our country! I thought you were a militia? Pshh! Soft!"

Burned White House Painting

Creator: George Munger, c.1814-1815.

WHHA (en-US)

@Janko @VeryBadLlama
Francis Scott Key was so embarrassed by getting spanked at Bladenburg by former slaves turned professional soldiers, that he added these lines to the third verse of the Star Spangled Banner:

"No refuge could save the hireling and slave / From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave."

In most US wars, Black prisoners of war didn't get the same humane treatment as white POWs. They were tortured and executed. Some colonial Marines met this fate.

@Janko @VeryBadLlama

So in typical US fashion, we just... don't sing that part of the anthem! And we consider it very rude to even bring this up!🤡

And we don't teach it in schools. Most US citizens don't even know that there is a 3rd verse to the national anthem.🤡🤡

And Black folk that try to say, "I love the US but I don't sing the anthem because..." are not considered to be like Charles Ball. They're considered un-American. Sometimes by British citizens!🤡🤡🤡

@mekkaokereke
OMG this mini thread within a thread made me choke on my coffee.

Now I have to look up our national anthem.

Also, this is why the Black National Anthem exists. Because the US is a 🤡 show.

@mekkaokereke @Janko @VeryBadLlama Which is why white conservatives are terrified that schools might teach children any of the U.S.'s real history. It was never really about #CriticalRaceTheory, but that's a convenient label to stigmatize the actual history of racism.
@mekkaokereke @Janko @VeryBadLlama British citizens with this opinions is next-level derp
@mekkaokereke @Janko @VeryBadLlama I was going to say Germany but that thread was very informative and now I have two examples 🙂

@mekkaokereke @Janko @VeryBadLlama

Good thing we have a spare Natl Anthem standing by
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AePCvFrggZM

This Land is Your Land

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@eRileyKc @mekkaokereke @Janko @VeryBadLlama There's a big reason that one never made the cut:

"As I went walking I saw a sign there,

And on the sign it said "No Trespassing."

But on the other side it didn't say nothing.

That side was made for you and me."

Imagine living in a country with Right to Roam as a freedom of citizenship - like the British we broke free from. smh.

@jonathanpeterson @eRileyKc @mekkaokereke @Janko @VeryBadLlama

There's also this bit:

"In the shadow of the steeple I saw my people,
By the relief office I seen my people;
As they stood there hungry, I stood there asking
Is this land made for you and me?"

@vor @jonathanpeterson @eRileyKc @mekkaokereke @Janko @VeryBadLlama

Plus the fact that it in its inclusiveness it fails to emphasize those who were here millennia before all others and to whom all this land rightfully belongs.

This isn't "our" land, but theirs.

@mekkaokereke @Janko @VeryBadLlama fun fact: we germans don't sing the whole first two stanzas of our national anthem, because, well, y'know....

The third stanza is fine though.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutschlandlied

Deutschlandlied - Wikipedia

@jollyorc @mekkaokereke @Janko @VeryBadLlama Hasn't this had three or four different sets of lyrics over the years (for a variety of obvious reasons)?
@klausfiend @mekkaokereke @Janko @VeryBadLlama not really - the tune is a lot older than the lyrics, and originally was an austrian hymn. And there are "counter-lyrics", where people rewrote the anthem as a protest or art project, but the Deutschlandlied itself is mostly unchanged, apart from the decision which parts are to be sung.
@jollyorc @mekkaokereke @Janko @VeryBadLlama
Makes sense. When Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 joined England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 to Unite the Kingdoms 🇬🇧, we cut the bit about crushing those angry Scott’s.
@jollyorc Only the third stanza of the Deutschlandlied is the anthem. The whole anthem is sung, consisting of part of the Deutschlandlied.

@mekkaokereke @Janko @VeryBadLlama

In a similar vein, Bacon's Rebellion is worth shining some light at, too. Americans need to understand the parts of their history they weren't taught at school.

@mekkaokereke @Janko @VeryBadLlama American here, but grew up in Germany, so I've never once heard about this -- but apparently I wouldn't have heard it growing up over here in the US, either.
Smdh.
@mekkaokereke @Janko @VeryBadLlama There is something that irritates me profoundly about how USAmericans are taught of the War of 1812 as "a tie". The British were fighting Napoleon at the time on the other side of the Atlantic and still they managed to burn the capital and the seat of government to the ground on a war of aggression that the US started. That is taking an L if ever there was one.
@Illuminatus @mekkaokereke @Janko @VeryBadLlama And everyone seems to completely overlook the Loyalists, who had already left everything they had in the interest of not being ruled by Americans and were damn straight not going to sit back and watch them take over what was left of British North America.

@Illuminatus @mekkaokereke @Janko @VeryBadLlama

Americans are taught it was a TIE?!!

Wow.

@fenris23 @Illuminatus @Janko @VeryBadLlama

Hey, we're also taught that the Alamo was a victory of some kind, so this is pretty mild in comparison! 🤷🏿‍♂️

@fenris23
They're also taught that the composition "The war of 1812" is about that war and not, you know, the Napoleonic wars. I guess they think that European composers had nothing better to do than write about a minor skirmish 3000 miles away from their own struggles...
@Illuminatus @mekkaokereke @Janko @VeryBadLlama
@mekkaokereke
I assumed 3 was the UK because of that "rebellious Scots to crush" verse?
@Janko @VeryBadLlama

@mekkaokereke @Janko @VeryBadLlama

The same way Germans only sing the third stanza of their national anthem, I suppose...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutschlandlied

Deutschlandlied - Wikipedia

@Janko @VeryBadLlama @mekkaokereke

Edit: I learned from the replies that Asimov was known for sexually assaulting women at conferences.

There's an Asimov short story where someone exposed a Russian spy because no American would know the third verse. I guess there's an unseen and implied "white" in it.

The story is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Refuge_Could_Save

No Refuge Could Save - Wikipedia

@gbargoud @Janko @VeryBadLlama @mekkaokereke We still discussing the works of a notorious sex pest?

@Janko @VeryBadLlama @mekkaokereke @platanoutre

First I hear of him being a sex pest so notorious seems like a bit of a stretch here.

@sol @gbargoud @Janko @VeryBadLlama @mekkaokereke

Notorious among women as he liked to grope as many as he could for decades. Letters were sent advising against being near him ffs. Conferences mentioned it in bulletins.

@platanoutre @gbargoud @Janko @VeryBadLlama @mekkaokereke yes. Only not notorious to those who don’t want to know.

@platanoutre @Janko @VeryBadLlama @mekkaokereke @sol

Found it on his Wikipedia page under "views -> sexual assault".

That's pretty fucked up and I won't be sharing any of his stories anymore after reading it but it's not fair to say that the only people who don't know are those who don't want to know given that he died almost 35 years ago and there are many people who have read his stories or seen movies based on them and not heard anything about his personal life.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Asimov

Isaac Asimov - Wikipedia

@gbargoud @platanoutre @Janko @VeryBadLlama @mekkaokereke yeah the stuff is pretty much buried in that page, which tells you a lot about rape culture and how it can be told as an afterthought or a quirk.
@sol I am very sorry to hear this, but I also feel weirdly vindicated as I always shied away from his writing. @gbargoud @platanoutre @Janko @VeryBadLlama @mekkaokereke
@gbargoud @Janko @VeryBadLlama @mekkaokereke @sol
Patriarchy does a good job of erasing, minimizing, and excusing reprehensible behaviors almost like it’s the entire point. Glad you’ll stop platforming a sex pest. I just thoroughly check first these days.
@mekkaokereke @Janko @VeryBadLlama I was privileged to have a better education, both in school and out, than most Americans, so I did know these little turds of history. That verse is one reason why a cousin of mine spearheaded a campaign to have the national anthem changed to America The Beautiful (which has its own flaws)

@Janko @VeryBadLlama @mekkaokereke

Canadians have our own songs about that event thanks to the Three Dead Trolls in a Baggie…

[fully aware that we engage in our own forms of ‘patriotic’ historical revisionism]

https://youtu.be/aue-zWxYtEc?si=hdLF_razKu1Pwllg&t=75

The War of 1812 - Live in Seattle (OFFICIAL PROPER VERSION)

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Thank you for this history lesson — one of many such lessons I never learned in school, and one #Florida kids have no hope of learning as long as Gov. #DeSantis keeps pushing anti-woke ignorance into our schools. @mekkaokereke @Janko @VeryBadLlama @DeliaChristina

@MariellaSmith @mekkaokereke @Janko @VeryBadLlama @DeliaChristina

A long time ago, my Florida public school history teacher was teaching my class about the Mexican government wanting to free the enslaved people in Coahuila y Tejas.

@mekkaokereke @Janko @VeryBadLlama okay so my dad does sing that verse but always said it was just a burn about the British, so thanks for supplying the topic of our next family dinner cause we clearly need to have a conversation
@mekkaokereke @Janko @VeryBadLlama (My dad is generally a good dude so 90% chance he's like "wtf, definitely not singing that again" and 10% chance he says [citation needed] and then does a bunch of research and THEN says he's not singing it again, and then we give him another long song to memorize all the lyrics of because he really really likes memorizing lyrics, but we'll see).

@mekkaokereke @Janko @VeryBadLlama

Eric Flint used that battle and Charles Ball in his alternate history novel "1812: The Rivers of War"and the sequel "1824: The Arkansas War."

Flint worked from the premise of less horrible version of the Trail of Tears.

Ball ends up the general of the independent "Arkansas Confederacy" where slavery is banned (sort of, it's complicated.)

The first book is legitimately available for free on the "1635 The Eastern Front CD" here:

https://baencd.thefifthimperium.com/

BaenCD at the Fifth Imperium