Actual conversation I had…

Me: Billionaire philanthropy is nothing more than PR. Tax billionaires.
Troll: Lol you trust the Govt to spend our money?
Me: Yes, the Govt is elected by We the People, and therefore is accountable to us and can be voted out.
Troll: Govt is bought.
Me: Bought by who?
Troll: By billionai—...😳
Me: ...🤔
Troll: Ok, Tax billionaires.

@QasimRashid Didn't have to bust out the puns on this one. Bravo!
@QasimRashid I'm impressed, you found the one who wasn't a nihilistic narcissistic sadist.
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Thank you for your service! 😁
@QasimRashid yessss!
From an eco perspective too: I don’t know how we are okay with a few ppl taking soooo much more than their share of the planet’s resources. I don’t care how much you work/how entitled you think you are.
@QasimRashid LOL. This is epic. Well done, my friend 👏

@QasimRashid 😂

At least they had the wherewithal to succumb to the logic. Unfortunately, too many don't.

@progressiveartist @QasimRashid “succumb to the logic.”, great phrase. Sadly, we mostly succumb to the sophistry.
@QasimRashid This is one of the many reasons I follow you! You reasoned with one , you achieved the impossible !
@QasimRashid You just Rabbit Season Duck Season'd him
@QasimRashid Defense contractors can't be voted out.
@QasimRashid LOL... the problem is that most trolls won't recognize their circular logic on this or admit they are wrong, because they suffer from a massive case of generational gaslighting.
@QasimRashid Hey, you got them there in the end! 😂 That's more than most of us... Good job!
@QasimRashid Bonus points if elected representatives can only receive money from actual constituents.
@QasimRashid at least he understood the key message.
@QasimRashid I know many who just devolve down to "billionaires allocate resources better and I trust them more than the Government" 😐 🤨
@QasimRashid people often think taxing billionaires is about closing funding gaps, when it's really about preventing inevitable economic and political distortions caused by their existence.
@QasimRashid How do you tax a billionaire?
@QasimRashid I don’t agree that all of them are just trying to do PR but, since I don’t trust them to do the right thing they need to be aggressively taxed.
@QasimRashid no lecture on "trickle down economics" after that? 🤔
@QasimRashid if only speaking the truth had that effect on people/trolls in real life. Americans also “trust” insurance companies who only want profit to make their medical decision. Been talking that point for decades and no one gets it still
@QasimRashid One at a time works. Keep reeling em in.

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Agreed. Every billionaire represents a failure of public policy. Billionaires aren’t part of the solution. They are part of the problem.‬

Let me make my position clear. Economic structures and laws that allow a single unelected, unaccountable individual (or family) sole control over significant national wealth is as foolish and ultimately unproductive as the old hereditary monarchy system of governance. ‬

@QasimRashid Next time you might add that government isn’t spending “our money” anyway--taxes are destroyed to remove money from the system to (among other things) prevent inflation. Removing money *progressively* also reduces inequality, which is good because inequality undermines democracy. #MMT
@QasimRashid Several years ago, a billionaire said there was a minimal lifestyle change going from $200M to $500M and none going from $500M to $1Billion. You could just take it all away and they wouldn't even notice.
@QasimRashid Sometimes you gotta ask questions and troll back to make your point.
@QasimRashid Hello Qasim, my question t you is how do you feel about the celebration of Christmas as a muslim? Did it change through the years?
@christodoulides Not sure I understand your question. I’ve never celebrated Christmas.
@QasimRashid sorry my question is out of context and not really related to your tweet. I am curious how a muslim feel about christmas holidays. Do you feel like it is a nice season? Do you feel like another religion is been forced on you? Do you struggle to avoid christmas mood?
@QasimRashid Reminds me of a conversation I had with a hard-core #Trump supporter who also said that #billionaires shouldn’t exist
@QasimRashid So involved in their talking points they override simple logic. Shame.
@QasimRashid I feel like billionaires would be upset by not being referred to as whom
@QasimRashid Andrew Carnegie was a prize b*stard, but his #philanthropy built a lot of libraries in towns that might otherwise not have them. Government programs get so wrapped up in #redtape that the majority of the money goes to meeting pointless requirements about hiring, etc., or lining politicians’ pockets, that most of the money never gets where it’s supposed to.
@QasimRashid IMO it's true both that
1) the state is primarily an instrument of ruling class power and genuine democratic control on a stable basis is impossible, and
2) it can respond to sufficient mass pressure from outside, on a short-term basis.
So the best approach is arguably to focus pressure on specific reforms that don't require ongoing democratic control of the state to administer, like allocating tax money does.
So we should eliminate or weaken as many as possible of the legally-enforced mechanisms by the ruling class extracts economic rents from artificial scaricties and artificial property rights (intellectual property, absentee landlordism, subsidies to operating costs, etc.). And we should build into the system a basic income guarantee that functions automatically without a need for ongoing appropriations (like a negative income tax that would bring everyone above the poverty level for less than is currently spent on welfare).
Billionaires woudn't exist if they weren't able to extract monopoly incomes with the help of the capitalist state.
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Where did you find such a reasonable troll?
@QasimRashid I love it when logic rules

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That’s a rare troll you found, one who actually thinks about what he says.

@QasimRashid it's not just billionaires though. Lobbyist groups for corporations and special interests control more legislation than a handful of billionaires

@QasimRashid
I’ve had similar discussions.

Them: You can’t trust government. Private sector is always better.

Me: But you can vote out gov leaders. How do you hold companies accountable?

Them: I just don’t buy from them

Me: And when they have a monopoly or cartel?

Them: Then we pass a law.

Me: WHO passes the laws?

@QasimRashid @natalie I’m going to have to remember this process next time I get in this conversation.