Ed BottI would really like to quote-tweet this, adding my 2 cents and amplifying Taylor's words.
But I can't. And that's unfortunate.
Dave Kearns@edbott
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Andy Daitsman@adaitsman @dak3 It was ... half my point.
Anyone determined enough can figure out a way, but it should be easier than this.
deltatux@edbott @adaitsman @dak3
This is a debate that's been hotly debated on the dev level. There have been many proposals to implement this feature but Eugen has apparently argued that he didn't want to include it because it would spread toxicity & cyberbullying. This debate is still ongoing, maybe as more people demand it, it might come?
So far none of the forks have included this feature either.
Sadly for me, my instance runs on Akkoma (fork of Pleroma) which does support quote posting but since Mastodon doesn't support it, it won't render my post. Since most of my follows & followers use Mastodon, it effectively renders the feature useless since I can't use it...
This is a debate that's been hotly debated on the dev level. There have been many proposals to implement this feature but Eugen has apparently argued that he didn't want to include it because it would spread toxicity & cyberbullying. This debate is still ongoing, maybe as more people demand it, it might come?
So far none of the forks have included this feature either.
Sadly for me, my instance runs on Akkoma (fork of Pleroma) which does support quote posting but since Mastodon doesn't support it, it won't render my post. Since most of my follows & followers use Mastodon, it effectively renders the feature useless since I can't use it...
Drew Tipson@deltatux @dak3 @adaitsman @edbott yeah, and I don't think so much demand it, but rather: make the case for it's utility, in general or for Mastodon specifically.
To Taylors point: maybe without it, it won't draw a crucial mass of journalists. But then the devs might say: maybe that goal (courting journalists, growing huge) isn't something a platform like this should actively even seek to achieve, even if it'd be cool.
@deltatux @dak3 @adaitsman @edbott on the other hand, how some Twitter-like QT feature may or may not be used for harassment if brought over here (into a different system, different culture, probably a different user-base than Twitter) seems really hard to predict.
Maybe it inevitably does once you reach a certain huge number of users, enough to draw over habitual abusers. Or maybe not, the same patterns/threat worries don't apply here
@adrew @dak3 @adaitsman @edbott
It's a good point, the fediverse indeed has a different system & culture, no one truly knows if a quote post function would be abused to the level of Twitter.
Honestly, I think Twitter's algorithms make it worse because you don't see this problem on other platforms that have similar function like the traditional forum software and Reddit. All of these platforms allow for quote replies of some sort.
If there are abusers, a community's moderator can silence/boot them off. If an instance is full of abusers, the instance admin has the ability to defederate from that abusive instance. These are features that don't exist with centralized social media. The other issue is that with a large social media platform, because of their size, there's the image that because they're so big, your reports would just simply get lost in the sea of reports.
It's a good point, the fediverse indeed has a different system & culture, no one truly knows if a quote post function would be abused to the level of Twitter.
Honestly, I think Twitter's algorithms make it worse because you don't see this problem on other platforms that have similar function like the traditional forum software and Reddit. All of these platforms allow for quote replies of some sort.
If there are abusers, a community's moderator can silence/boot them off. If an instance is full of abusers, the instance admin has the ability to defederate from that abusive instance. These are features that don't exist with centralized social media. The other issue is that with a large social media platform, because of their size, there's the image that because they're so big, your reports would just simply get lost in the sea of reports.
@deltatux @dak3 @adaitsman @edbott the Twitter algorithm definitely worked towards making QT's, especially really controversial ones, surface in my feed regularly: with Twitter, no matter when I logged on, I'd be caught up with all the latest fights and digs and takes on "the main character" of the day, as things tended to go
I _think_ that's not as possible or as likely the way this place is set up. Don't know though