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notes@foxhkron It reminds me of this meme:
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I've travelled on a fast-go train in Taiwan, that maxed out at 340 km per hour. Vertually no sound.That sounded like a house fan on low speed. No rocking motion.When it accelerated up to speed you could feel the actual force punching you back into the seat. Very exciting, almost had the feeling of being a kid on his first train ride. Yes I like trains.
I've travelled on a fast-go train in Taiwan, that maxed out at 340 km per hour. Vertually no sound.That sounded like a house fan on low speed. No rocking motion.When it accelerated up to speed you could feel the actual force punching you back into the seat. Very exciting, almost had the feeling of being a kid on his first train ride. Yes I like trains.
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Great point. A meme created by who knows who is at best just a conversation starter. Thanks for this important point. I fully agree. For me the gist of the meme I shared is that we need human and environment centric cities and towns and not car centric. Universal design, appropriate technology, and equitable accommodations to include everyone are crucial. This may in many cases involve smaller scale vehicles for individuals. Let's never be eugenicists.
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Great point. A meme created by who knows who is at best just a conversation starter. Thanks for this important point. I fully agree. For me the gist of the meme I shared is that we need human and environment centric cities and towns and not car centric. Universal design, appropriate technology, and equitable accommodations to include everyone are crucial. This may in many cases involve smaller scale vehicles for individuals. Let's never be eugenicists.
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I believe that isolation of so-called degenerates is one of the tactics that eugenicists use in their policies. That is why so many minorities and disabled get incarcerated. That is why we lack adequate transportation for even the most basic needs. It may sound extreme, but it looks to me like we are under attack via economics and policy.
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I believe that isolation of so-called degenerates is one of the tactics that eugenicists use in their policies. That is why so many minorities and disabled get incarcerated. That is why we lack adequate transportation for even the most basic needs. It may sound extreme, but it looks to me like we are under attack via economics and policy.
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The Spoonless Kitchen@Hello57 @notes @foxhkron And this is where #universaldesign needs to be prioritized everywhere, by everyone, regardless of belief, ideology, "wing" or false narratives about that mandatory ponzi scheme called "the economy" not being able to "handle" making life easier for everyone - and raising up those of us who've never been on the level with the rest of society, to become equal to other human beings.
...too much to ask? Yah, probably.
BuddaboundI wish my son would be able to learn a train schedule and have the ability to go where he needs to go or when he wants as an adult. However, we live in America, so he will have to depend on a Medicaid contracted transportation company to take him (only) to doctor appointments if he calls 72 hours in advance and they don't leave him sitting for hours after his appointment was supposed to start (which happens all the time).
@buddhabound @thespoonless @notes @foxhkron
sigh. . .sorry
here in Boston, the "T" will give a disabled person a free ride to/from doctors except . .
you have to tell them the exact pickup time which of course you never know when doctors visit will end
<rant/>
@thespoonless @notes @foxhkron
Down here in TN, you can call them when your appointment is over, and they'll show up sometime before 530pm, which is what the contract requires.
If only we'd collect and spend tax money for things people actually need.
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The Medicaid medical transportation system is terrible. I know from direct experience. This is a case where a self driving car would make a lot of sense. They would of course have to be available and accessible. I hope we will learn from this pandemic and build more equitable, human centric systems. Imagine if we had regional fedi instances that also connected local communities to each other and resources in real space. Just thinking out loud, but
@buddhabound @Hello57 @notes @foxhkron
Canada's very fragmented paratransit "system" (if it could even be called that) exists only in major cities, usually by private companies that gouge and abuse their customers, and very very few of them are linked with public transit corps outside of Vancouver or Toronto. IDK about other big cities.
And yah even on the transit-linked systems, you have to order in advance, days to weeks, and even then you may not get where you need to go, when you need to be there.
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This is how it works in the US as well for the most part.
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This is how it works in the US as well for the most part.
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@notes @kgish @buddhabound @Hello57 @foxhkron #universaldesign would solve this. #universaldesign would make everything better. #universaldesign needs to be prioritized everywhere!
I preach to the choir, I know, I know.
All we can do is what we can do.
@thespoonless
I agree, and the earlier in the planning that people decide to include everyone, the more affordable it is for those only concerned with the budget, to adopt a #UniversalDesign. Making everything accessible to everyone should be a design lens from the beginning.
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Brian Dear@notes @foxhkron Completely agree. I would love to be able to travel between to any two cities in the US by affordable, comfortable, wifi-plentiful, high-tech, modern high-speed trains operating on smooth-riding modern rails that weren't installed in say 1898. And I agree about cities: design them as if cars didn't exist or carried a negative social stigma. Also, sustainable power generation everywhere in micro-grids providing cheap clean reliable energy to hyperlocal communities all over.
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Aroop Roelofs@finlaydag33k I am older ow, but got my license late too. I rode a skateboard and biked and took busses or walked everywhere. If I lived somewhere with reliable public transit, I'd switch to that. It is way more affordable and easy on the environment.
@notes I live in The Netherlands.
Outside the occasional problems (like a bus being late or a train having issues), it's pretty reliable here.
Most of the people that complain about it not being reliable are those that did not properly plan ahead and have their transition between trains (or busses) rely on the train being strictly on time (rather than planning a few minutes of leeway)
Outside the occasional problems (like a bus being late or a train having issues), it's pretty reliable here.
Most of the people that complain about it not being reliable are those that did not properly plan ahead and have their transition between trains (or busses) rely on the train being strictly on time (rather than planning a few minutes of leeway)
@finlaydag33k I live out in the Wild West of the US. A car is essential. It doesn't have to be, but that is how it is designed.
@notes Ah yea fair...
A friend of mine lives in the USA as well and if I have to see her neighboor hood compared to ours? Yea, I understand why PT isn't as viable there as it is here...
Some really dumb decisions were made over there...
A friend of mine lives in the USA as well and if I have to see her neighboor hood compared to ours? Yea, I understand why PT isn't as viable there as it is here...
Some really dumb decisions were made over there...
@finlaydag33k The automobile industry happened.
I apologize to anyone it I miss your comment. I want to discuss ideas with you, but my alert stream is inundated by favorite and boost alerts for that meme. I am happy so many people resonate with the idea. I just may miss alerts to comments.
Wendy Joint@notes At a price that gets cars off the| |road!
Droopus@notes @foxhkron The US (particularly California) used to have excellent public transportation. Then as cars became more common, the tracks were ripped out and the US has some of the worst public transport in the world.
China is decades ahead of the US, with mag-lev trains being built countrywide. Japan is working with trains that go 300 mph. Even the UK had Intercity125 trains in the late 80’s.
The US is an embarrassment, with slow trains and roads like LA’s 405-jammed.
China is decades ahead of the US, with mag-lev trains being built countrywide. Japan is working with trains that go 300 mph. Even the UK had Intercity125 trains in the late 80’s.
The US is an embarrassment, with slow trains and roads like LA’s 405-jammed.
WesDym@notes @foxhkron Yep. It's understandable why rich people hope that magical cars will solve everything. But they can't, due to immutable laws of physics. Cars take too much space on their own. Some form of transit is essential to urban living -- and VASTLY more efficient, economical, and environmentally sound.
Lizard@notes @foxhkron I want self driving cars, so my wife, who can’t drive due to anoxic brain injury, and my mother in law, who really *shouldn’t* be driving, but does, can do basic errands, get to dr. appts., etc., in a pop. 900 rural town where there will never be a bullet train, let alone one running every five minutes.
@LizardSF Important points. Thank you. It's a big unwieldy discussion, but you may be interested in this part where @Hello57 and I briefly discuss related ideas: https://vis.social/@Hello57/109563795360535626
I wish there were an easier way to follow these longer ongoing threads.
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@[email protected] @[email protected] maybe I am all wet, but any discussion of self driving cars that doesn't talk about "blind" or "disabled" is IMO an incomplete discussion :)
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VegOS ♋ 📷@notes @foxhkron Ich (geb. 1954) mag keine Memes, habe auch noch nie eines mit einer derartigen Aussage gesehen. Das ist für mich eine bebilderte Meinungsäußerung, der ich voll zustimme, aber kein Meme. Weil gerade Weichumnachten ist, schreibe ich jetzt nichts vom allgegenwärtigen Analphabetismus im Web. Frohes Fest!
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Air Quotes Comedian@notes @foxhkron Growing up in Britain in the 80’s/ 90’s I didn’t even countenance getting a vehicle because I couldn’t afford driving lessons, much less a car. So, I used public transport: Bus, train, sometimes a taxi. It wasn’t the greatest, even looking back with rose-tainted glasses, but it got the job done and didn’t cost too terribly much, unless I was taking the aforementioned taxi. Now I live in the USA where you can basically get a drivers license as a cereal box prize and gas (petrol) is cheaper than Bertie Dandruff’s special massage at the local cathouse. I’ve never used public transport in the USA except the Greyhound once, which was, and I apologize for the language, fucking horrific. Now that I have a car it has to be said that I feel like a complete idiot for ever desiring one for many reasons that I won’t go into as I’ve already waffled on enough I think. Suffice to say I completely agree with you.
@Air_Quotes_Comedian Thanks for that perspective. I've experienced cities in the US that have decent public transportation. Probably similar to what you mention experiencing in 80s/90s Brittan. We should be further along than we are at this point. I doubt it will ever be perfect of work for everyone, but it could work for a lot of people and cut traffic and emissions. Other people will need other solutions. Human centric city planning versus car centric may be a good start.
@notes @foxhkron I forgot to mention that as well as using public transport as a kid/ adolescent/ young adult I used to bicycle a lot, something which I miss, and also walking. There is not a lot of pedestrianization in the USA (that I've seen) whereas in Europe it is quite normal for cities to be less car centric. Cars alienate us and demand cities be designed that also alienates us from one and other.
@Air_Quotes_Comedian I had that very thing in mind as I was commenting. Walking, riding bikes, skateboarding, and taking busses all over Southern California in the 80s. Once the 90s hit I was traveling and living across the US. Sometimes I had a cheap car held together with duct tape and baling wire, and sometimes I too a bus or train. It was a different country back then. @foxhkron
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Mirko Schenk@notes @foxhkron Actually, I'd like both. Self driving cars that will drive between public traffic stations and home/target or allow me to put a large purchase in the trunk (yeah I know, some prefer bikes even if 45°C and hail storms alternate...), and public transport everywhere it makes sense (busses and trains with 0-2 passengers don't).