Jon WorthDec 22, 2022

Right, it's DONE 💪

Every railway border between
All 🇪🇺 countries
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now mapped...

Inc. existing lines with passenger trains, lines without passenger trains, and derelict lines too. Even tramways and narrow gauge are mapped

Here's the Zoom-able version
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-all-the-borders_838780#5/52.999/7.747

Now tell me what I am missing, and where I ought to go next 😊

Grey icons are the places I have not been!

#CrossBorderRail All The Borders - uMap

Show threadLennart FahnenmüllerDec 22, 2022
@jon
Helsingborg-Helsingør is a debatable one. Definitely worth a visit, used to be the standard route to Sweden, lots of infrastructure to see.
Show threadJon WorthDec 23, 2022
@Lenny_du_Nord I wondered about that. They’re never going to re open the ferry route though surely? (I’ve been there)
Show threadLennart Fahnenmüller
@jon what do you mean? The ferry runs really frequently, and terminals on both sides are directly connected to the train stations. IIRC coming from Hamburg if you miss the Gothenburg train you can catch it via the ferry.
For trains, no. Malmö is too important. I think they are discussing a second fixed link though, either at Helsingborg or at Landskrona.
Dec 23, 2022 at 9:39amWeb
Show threadJon WorthDec 23, 2022
@Lenny_du_Nord I am literally seeking railway borders. Not places where railway passengers would transit to something else. There is no way they're going to put trains on the ferries at Helsingør again. And I will add borders where stuff is being built already, but there it is not.
Show threadLennart FahnenmüllerDec 23, 2022
@jon Currently it looks weird to include Puttgarden MS but not Helsingborg MS crossings, but if that’s your criteria, then it’s fine to not include it.
And it’s also an interesting debate: the integrated train-ferry-train service with 2 changes is probably faster and more reliable than the roro. So yes, it’s an ex railway crossing, but nobody in their right mind would call to reactivate it in the former way.
Show threadJon WorthDec 23, 2022
@Lenny_du_Nord Also Fehmarn is already being reconstructed for the tunnel...
Show threadasraelvudogelDec 23, 2022
@jon
@Lenny_du_Nord
To a reactivation of Puttgarden:
Scandlines wants to keep their railwayconnection. And there is a switch to Puttgarden in the planning aproval documents for the german side of the tunnel. In Rødbyhavn all tracks are gone, but it's possible that Scandlines wants connect to another harbor in the baltic sea. 🤷
Show threadNorra kommissionenDec 23, 2022
@asraelvudogel @jon @Lenny_du_Nord Huh? Where else should they go, Trelleborg?
Show threadasraelvudogelDec 23, 2022

@nordkommission
I don't know what their plans for the railways are, but they want to keep up the ferry between Puttgarden and Rødby for the cars, for the people who are afraid of tunnels.

@jon @Lenny_du_Nord

Show threadNorra kommissionenDec 23, 2022
@asraelvudogel @jon @Lenny_du_Nord And cyclists, because I guarantee you the rail connections through the tunnel will not accommodate cyclist needs well...
Show threadJon WorthDec 23, 2022
@nordkommission @asraelvudogel @Lenny_du_Nord Not so. All the trains using the tunnel will be built after the introduction of the new EU Regulation, so will have to carry at least 2 bikes per carriage. And bike transport is one of the few things Danish railways does well!
Show threadLennart FahnenmüllerDec 23, 2022
@jon @nordkommission @asraelvudogel I believe there will be a regular RE Lübeck-Nykøbing, so there should be even more bike spaces.
I don’t believe in this whole Scandlines ferry story. There is no way that a ferry adding 60’ to the journey will be economically feasible. I’d bet that there will be no ferry from Fehmarn to Denmark by 2035.
Show threadJon WorthDec 23, 2022
@Lenny_du_Nord @nordkommission @asraelvudogel Agree. It's not the same as Dover-Calais, where the ferry is still time competitive, ish. Here most will just drive through the tunnel.
Show threadLennart FahnenmüllerDec 23, 2022

@jon @nordkommission @asraelvudogel
PS RE the HH-Tunnel: there was a study last year that concluded it’s possible. The Swedes want it more than the Danes (because Helsingborg benefits from the fast connection to Kbh)… but pressure will rise when the Fehmarn connection is there, not least because trains to Sweden can’t easily call at Kbh H.

https://api.vejdirektoratet.dk/sites/default/files/2021-01/7471_VD_HH-raport_26-01-2021.pdf

Show threadJon WorthDec 23, 2022
@Lenny_du_Nord @nordkommission @asraelvudogel Sure, it may eventually happen. But until there is a proper plan as to how to do it I'm not going to try to map it (or indeed other not fully mapped out future lines!)
Show threadNorra kommissionenDec 23, 2022
@jon @Lenny_du_Nord @asraelvudogel Capacity and price. Helsingør - Helsingborg vs. Öresundbridge.
Show threadasraelvudogelDec 23, 2022
@Lenny_du_Nord
@jon @nordkommission
The current plan is to build a second platform in Burg on Fehmarn and to allow Danish regional trains to terminate there and let the people change trains there. But that can still change, of course. There is a lot of movement at the moment, also due to political decisions.