Hagen Blix
Thunderbird: Free Your InboxIn early 2023, #Mozilla will stand up and test a publicly accessible instance in the #Fediverse at Mozilla.Social.
More info here: https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/mozilla-launch-fediverse-instance-social-media-alternative/
Ambros 🤨@thunderbird this is very nice to hear
Bekkenes@thunderbird it is mindboggling how much money Mozilla have wasted on different stuff up trough the year. They could have with the income they already had, secure the future of Mozilla main products, Firefox and thunderbird, for life.
Instead they burn cash like no tomorrow and makes are kind of weird projects.
Wiredfire 
@Bekkenes @thunderbird I appreciate that they try things out and see what’s going to bring benefit to the online community.
What’s the alternative? Stick with the same things everyone’s always done? That would be safe, but devoid of innovation.
I’d rather Mozilla keep trying “weird” things share what works with us all.
Paul H (he/him)@Bekkenes @thunderbird I prefer innovating and trying new things vs stagnation and sitting on their laurels. I'd rather them expand and possibly find new exciting things. No reward without risk. I, for one, look forward to what Mozilla can accomplish.
@pjhenry1216 @thunderbird Its not sustainable in the long run. They have an extremely low userbase and are CURRENTLY paid very well by google to be the default. This will not last forever, and what those revenues dry up and their costs are as high they are now, there will be an massive implosion.
Here is a good (but 2 year old post) about mozilla.
https://calpaterson.com/mozilla.html
Here is a good (but 2 year old post) about mozilla.
https://calpaterson.com/mozilla.html
@Bekkenes @thunderbird not trying new ways to find a wider userbase isn't sustainable in the long run. You're acting as if throwing more money at Firefox is guaranteed to raise it's numbers. It won't. They don't have the mindshare that Google has. It doesn't come pre installed much. But Google has other products that build an ecosystem that folks want to stay in. Mozilla needs an ecosystem to build loyalty. They need increased exposure. This helps.
@pjhenry1216 @thunderbird The money Mozilla get is more or less because of Firefox, and that should be the #1 priority. Everything else there is lots of competition on the interwebs for.
We dont need
* another VPN (hi @tailscale and others)
* another password manager. (hi @bitwarden and othes)
We need a "secular" browser that is not hanging from the skirt og Google.
"Stay in your lane"
@Bekkenes @thunderbird @tailscale @bitwarden it's not like they aren't trying with Firefox. As you have shown for yourself with your links, it's not working. When your own evidence undermines your own argument, maybe there's an issue. Throwing money at Firefox won't magically make it grow in market share. *That* is what wasteful spending looks like. They need to grown beyond a single product or they'll fail.
No they dont, because Mozilla is a niche foundation that should keep on doing what it is supposed to. Try keep the web "open". They dont need get big into "insert flavor of the month" online service.
@Bekkenes @thunderbird you literally pointed out that the money Firefox makes can dry up at any moment. The web being only browsers died 10-15 years ago. Stagnation is absolutely not the solution here. In any case, we've gotten to the point where we're disagreeing on extremely basic principles. I'm not going to discuss it further. This has been fruitless for me and clearly for you too.
@Bekkenes @thunderbird btw, Mozilla is a lot less niche than you think. I support them via MDN for instance. They do a hell of a lot for developers beyond just giving other users Firefox. Because again, the web is more than just a browser, but the content on it too. Sorry. That's it. I just saw that "niche" comment after sending the last message and it kind of angers me how much it belittles Mozilla.
yoasif@Bekkenes @thunderbird Sorry, how does this work? How do you secure Mozilla's existing budget for life? Have you done any analysis on this or are you just saying stuff?
@yoasif @thunderbird I said the influx of cash Mozilla had should have been enough. With the current useage (see their income and spending), it's more of a sinking ship. If they hadn't spent money like drunk sailors they should have been set for life.
@Bekkenes @thunderbird I still don't understand what you are saying - they have expenses. If the money is spent, it is gone. Do you have a plan for a fund to fund everything in perpetuity? Or are you just saying things?
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tsadilas@thunderbird very good idea!!
kalvn@thunderbird Great news 🤗
Morten Juhl-Johansen@thunderbird Sounds like a good excuse to build Thunderbird an official Fediverse extension.
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Parents For Future 
@thunderbird great news from @mozilla 💚🌱
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Martin Kosterain the age of surveillance capitalism
Zas nějací bolševici, co netuší, že jsou bolševici a nemají žádnou zkušenost se skutečnou implementací bolševismu? 😂
Zas nějací bolševici, co netuší, že jsou bolševici a nemají žádnou zkušenost se skutečnou implementací bolševismu? 😂
Alado@thunderbird [голосом Леонарда из ТБВ] Пааанеслась....
Ilgaz Öcal@thunderbird something like a magic Mastodon share button, e.g. as most automatically possible would be nice. Something hosted in a neutral portal that will magically link to users server.
404compliant@thunderbird Great, that covers the server part. Now how about integrating a client into Thunderbird, that would be cool too!
Isaac LeFever@thunderbird great news!
Steve Shreve 📷@thunderbird this is fantastic. 👏👏👏
manwithhorns@thunderbird can’t wait
Yasoo Morimoto
Andrew "Ace" Arsenault@thunderbird Thank you. : ] that's a great idea.
Thank you for supporting open source projects.
AnneCollier@thunderbird This is exciting
Jari Pennanen@thunderbird I like that Mozilla is doing this.
I don't like the word "test" here, it makes it feel like an ephemeral experiment.
Fediverse existed long before Twitter turned nightmare even for developers.
I do worry about how can Mozilla tackle moderation. I don't think they as a company have done it before.
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I do worry about how can Mozilla tackle moderation. I don't think they as a company have done it before.
Maybe this is what they are testing (among other things)
@thunderbird
I do worry about how can Mozilla tackle moderation. I don't think they as a company have done it before.
Maybe this is what they are testing (among other things)
@thunderbird
@petrescatraian Yes, I expect a half-assed attempt, that just leaves some people in a dead server that closes down in 6 months.
Mozilla is odd as a community as well, it looks like servers that have identity survives best.
All of this depends on who admins it, what views it got, etc. Fosstodon.org has an identity, I don't know what Mozilla's identity in Fediverse is.
I hope for the best of course!
James Just James@thunderbird I just want a really good web browser from you and no extra nonsense.
Wouter Verhelst@wouter @thunderbird I mean Mozilla should not waste money on other things.
@purpleidea @wouter Mozilla is constantly trying to make the web a better place. That's worth the investment.
Randal (Hubzilla)@Thunderbird
Mozilla is constantly trying to make the web a better place. That's worth the investment.
This is quite a vague mission statement that could include just about any activity. Is Mozilla guilty of mission creep?
Mozilla is constantly trying to make the web a better place. That's worth the investment.
This is quite a vague mission statement that could include just about any activity. Is Mozilla guilty of mission creep?
@randal Disclaimer: Thunderbird is not technically under Mozilla's umbrella (we are MZLA Technologies) and not does officially speak on behalf of Mozilla.
Just sharing our enthusiasm for what they do.
@Thunderbird Yes, I'm aware of that, and it wasn't a reference to Thunderbird.
@thunderbird @wouter I'd prefer Mozilla just focus their energy and enormous budget on just making Firefox awesome for now. You keep losing so much market share. Fix all the obvious issues first. Stop wasting time on silly things most people don't think are the priority.
@purpleidea
@thunderbird you know that already happened, right? Thunderbird was split off of Mozilla a while ago, they don't get funding from Mozilla anymore. All their funding is now separately handled and donated by people who would rather donate to Thunderbird rather than to Firefox.
@thunderbird you know that already happened, right? Thunderbird was split off of Mozilla a while ago, they don't get funding from Mozilla anymore. All their funding is now separately handled and donated by people who would rather donate to Thunderbird rather than to Firefox.
@wouter @thunderbird yeah my comments are just about Firefox/Mozilla not Thunderbird it's only in this thread in reply to their initial comment, not about Thunderbird itself.