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Bekkenes@thunderbird it is mindboggling how much money Mozilla have wasted on different stuff up trough the year. They could have with the income they already had, secure the future of Mozilla main products, Firefox and thunderbird, for life.
Instead they burn cash like no tomorrow and makes are kind of weird projects.
Paul H (he/him)@Bekkenes @thunderbird I prefer innovating and trying new things vs stagnation and sitting on their laurels. I'd rather them expand and possibly find new exciting things. No reward without risk. I, for one, look forward to what Mozilla can accomplish.
@pjhenry1216 @thunderbird Its not sustainable in the long run. They have an extremely low userbase and are CURRENTLY paid very well by google to be the default. This will not last forever, and what those revenues dry up and their costs are as high they are now, there will be an massive implosion.
Here is a good (but 2 year old post) about mozilla.
https://calpaterson.com/mozilla.html
Here is a good (but 2 year old post) about mozilla.
https://calpaterson.com/mozilla.html
@Bekkenes @thunderbird not trying new ways to find a wider userbase isn't sustainable in the long run. You're acting as if throwing more money at Firefox is guaranteed to raise it's numbers. It won't. They don't have the mindshare that Google has. It doesn't come pre installed much. But Google has other products that build an ecosystem that folks want to stay in. Mozilla needs an ecosystem to build loyalty. They need increased exposure. This helps.
@pjhenry1216 @thunderbird The money Mozilla get is more or less because of Firefox, and that should be the #1 priority. Everything else there is lots of competition on the interwebs for.
We dont need
* another VPN (hi @tailscale and others)
* another password manager. (hi @bitwarden and othes)
We need a "secular" browser that is not hanging from the skirt og Google.
"Stay in your lane"
@Bekkenes @thunderbird @tailscale @bitwarden it's not like they aren't trying with Firefox. As you have shown for yourself with your links, it's not working. When your own evidence undermines your own argument, maybe there's an issue. Throwing money at Firefox won't magically make it grow in market share. *That* is what wasteful spending looks like. They need to grown beyond a single product or they'll fail.
No they dont, because Mozilla is a niche foundation that should keep on doing what it is supposed to. Try keep the web "open". They dont need get big into "insert flavor of the month" online service.
@Bekkenes @thunderbird you literally pointed out that the money Firefox makes can dry up at any moment. The web being only browsers died 10-15 years ago. Stagnation is absolutely not the solution here. In any case, we've gotten to the point where we're disagreeing on extremely basic principles. I'm not going to discuss it further. This has been fruitless for me and clearly for you too.
@Bekkenes @thunderbird btw, Mozilla is a lot less niche than you think. I support them via MDN for instance. They do a hell of a lot for developers beyond just giving other users Firefox. Because again, the web is more than just a browser, but the content on it too. Sorry. That's it. I just saw that "niche" comment after sending the last message and it kind of angers me how much it belittles Mozilla.