harmonixDec 21, 2022
wakest likes your bugs ⁂

@mozilla just announced they are joining the #fediverse  

"In early 2023, Mozilla will stand up and test a publicly accessible instance in the Fediverse at Mozilla.Social"

they will start with Mastodon, but are "looking forward to working on the challenges that crosscut the Fediverse"

https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/mozilla-launch-fediverse-instance-social-media-alternative/ #FediNews

Mozilla to explore healthy social media alternative | The Mozilla Blog

Update: Starting May 4, 2023, we’re expanding Mozilla.social to a private beta. If you’re interested, join our waitlist. In early 2023, Mozilla will st

Dec 20, 2022 at 11:06pmWeb
Show threadCyber YukiDec 20, 2022
@liaizon 
Show threadRiedlerDec 20, 2022
@liaizon woo! just read this via RSS in thunderbird, and switched over to firefox, to go on mastodon, to post about it. Needless to say, I'm a fan of Mozilla, and I'm very hopeful for what they're going to accomplish.
Show threadwakest likes your bugs ⁂Dec 20, 2022
@Riedler with them having an official instance it will definitely be easier to get some fixes in for handling cross site communication that are currently just handled by a bunch of various extensions.
Show threadPeter BronezDec 21, 2022
@liaizon @Riedler omg maybe I can link a Fediverse account to a Firefox profile??
Show threadmconnorDec 21, 2022
@PeterBronez @liaizon @Riedler there’s some standards-ish questions to answer first, but native support will come at some point.
Show threadwakest likes your bugs ⁂Dec 21, 2022
@mconnor @PeterBronez @Riedler I see you work at mozilla, are you a part of the team thats putting this together?
Show threadmconnorDec 21, 2022
@liaizon @PeterBronez @Riedler one of my hats, yes.
Show thread\\Dec 20, 2022
@liaizon they’ll do anything as long as it doesn’t involve the web browser won’t they
Show threadwakest likes your bugs ⁂Dec 20, 2022
@slash lol thats hardddddddd tho
Show threadJohnWDec 21, 2022

@slash @liaizon 🤣 I lol'd hard! There might have been a snort in there too.

Actually Firefox is pretty decent. I do all my web dev on Firefox Dev version.

Show threadDanny ColinDec 21, 2022
@slash @liaizon They're so lazy that there's only been 2368 patches committed in the last month. /s
Show threadˈdälfən™🐬 💥 🌊Dec 20, 2022
@liaizon I have mixed feelings about this… 🤔
Show threadrobrykDec 20, 2022

@dalfen @liaizon

Similarly (mainly because a large instance is going to have many problems caused by size and lack of shared expectations), but I hope that this might also cause Mozilla to do interesting things to Firefox (e.g. start developing a fedi client as an extension? not a mastodon client, but something that can display activitypub posts/activitystreams collections with user-chosen UI?).

Show threadwakest likes your bugs ⁂Dec 20, 2022
@robryk @dalfen well @thunderbird already started supporting @matrix so we will see if we might get some sort of interaction like that from mozilla...
Show threadtom4okstateDec 21, 2022
@dalfen @liaizon please elaborate.
Show threadˈdälfən™🐬 💥 🌊Dec 21, 2022

@tom4okstate @liaizon

The statement "looking forward to working on the challenges that crosscut the Fediverse" got me thinking.

Mozilla is great, but the Mozilla Corporation is a wholly-owned, for-profit subsidiary of the Mozilla Foundation. Although well-intentioned, it concerns me that the company might see opportunity not just to assist in the development of a better, people-centered internet, but also for financial gain and dominance.

Show threadRob MillerDec 21, 2022

@dalfen @tom4okstate @liaizon

Disclaimer: I work for Mozilla, but am speaking for myself.

Yes, Moz Corp is for-profit, owned by the Foundation. But most tech cos are either public or funded by VC money. In both cases, there's a ton of pressure to maximize growth, forever. Profitable isn't enough, gotta maximize that shareholder value.

At Mozilla, nobody's extracting the $. In fact, Moz Corp *can't* give too much to its owner, or the Foundation will lose its nonprofit status.

Show threadˈdälfən™🐬 💥 🌊Dec 21, 2022

@nonsequitarian @tom4okstate @liaizon

Mozilla corporation is wholly-owned. Does it have shareholders?

Show threadRob MillerDec 21, 2022

@dalfen @tom4okstate @liaizon

The only shareholder is the Foundation.

Show threadRob MillerDec 21, 2022

@dalfen @tom4okstate @liaizon

This means the incentives and demands are different. For Moz Corp "maximizing shareholder value" means serving the shareholder's mission. Since nobody is extracting the money that Moz Corp makes, there's no capitalistic pressure for perpetual growth. As long as Mozilla can pay the bills, it can keep operating. Being for-profit means no operational constraints like non-profits have. And the legal structure is more protected from co-option than most, IMO.

Show threadˈdälfən™🐬 💥 🌊Dec 21, 2022

@nonsequitarian @tom4okstate @liaizon

So what you're saying is that you "maximize the value" to the stakeholders, or the users (the public) who benefit from Mozilla's services (which run according to its principles); And all operations are overseen by the non-profit Mozilla Foundation?

Show threadRob MillerDec 21, 2022

@dalfen @tom4okstate @[email protected]

The operations aren't overseen by the foundation, exactly. Mozilla Corp has a board, as does the foundation. Leadership of the two overlaps.

What I'm really saying is that unlike other companies, Mozilla doesn't need or want to dominate a market. It needs to *compete* on the market, but its interests align with a vibrant ecosystem supporting open standards and user choice.

Show threadˈdälfən™🐬 💥 🌊Dec 21, 2022

@nonsequitarian @tom4okstate

How does the mission of the Mozilla Corporation compare to that of the Mozilla Foundation?

Show threadRob MillerDec 21, 2022

@dalfen @tom4okstate

Can't find the missions at the moment, but both organizations serve the manifesto: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/manifesto/

The Mozilla Manifesto

These are the principles that guide our mission to promote openness, innovation & opportunity on the web.

Mozilla
Show threadtom4okstateDec 21, 2022
@dalfen @liaizon I can definitely understand your trepidation there.
Show threadRui MalheiroDec 21, 2022

@dalfen
Also have mixed feelings, but that's more about the speed at which the user community is growing.

Anyway, Vivaldi Browser already maintains a Mastodon instance, so we already have some prior art to study, even if recent.
https://social.vivaldi.net/about
@liaizon

Vivaldi Social

Vivaldi Social is part of the Mastodon network and is hosted in Iceland by the makers of Vivaldi Browser. Everyone is welcome to join.

Mastodon hosted on Vivaldi Social
Show threadˈdälfən™🐬 💥 🌊Dec 21, 2022

@chromatic @liaizon

Oh yes, that's a good thing... I forgot they did that.

Show threadˈdälfən™🐬 💥 🌊Dec 21, 2022

@chromatic @liaizon

I understand integrating a Mastodon instance into a browser, but the statement "looking forward to working on the challenges that crosscut the Fediverse" got me thinking.

Mozilla is great, but the Mozilla Corporation is a wholly-owned, for-profit subsidiary of the Mozilla Foundation. Although well-intentioned, it concerns me that the company might see opportunity not just to assist in a better, people-centered internet, but also for financial gain and dominance.

Show threadRui MalheiroDec 21, 2022
@dalfen
Well, that will always be a danger. So far, the #fediverse survived the journey from the egg into the sea. Now comes the hardest part, where it has to survive the sharks.
@liaizon
Show threadˈdälfən™🐬 💥 🌊Dec 21, 2022

@chromatic @liaizon

I wish I had found this place years ago. I love it here!

Show threadwakest likes your bugs ⁂Dec 21, 2022
@dalfen @chromatic there are already many companies operating in this space, though all the main dev has been done by individuals un affiliated with companies. Mozilla has provided support and resources for many of the standards that make up the underneath of the fediverse though
Show threadwakest likes your bugs ⁂Dec 20, 2022
@dalfen I mean mozilla has made some bad moves in the past but personally I think this is a positive experiment. we will have to see as we go if they start fucking it up like Raspberry Pi did
Show threadnikkianaDec 21, 2022
@dalfen @liaizon Given Mozilla's past track record, I do to... but I'll reserve my judgement until later. Maybe it's a sign they'll course correct?
Show threadˈdälfən™🐬 💥 🌊Dec 21, 2022
@nikkiana @liaizon
I hope so...
Show threadEvan ProdromouDec 21, 2022
@liaizon cool. I hope they talk to some of the people who actually worked on it!
Show threadSebastian LasseDec 21, 2022

@evan @liaizon

this might have been a nice team but one is a fox and one is a whale
https://bird.trom.tf/mozthunderbird/status/1205221539165229056#m

Thunderbird (@mozthunderbird)

We hope that @bluesky will look at #activitypub - an open standard already used by @MastodonProject. It's also something Thunderbird is actively looking at supporting, in product, in 2020. It would save @Twitter time and resources, without duplicating efforts. Win/win

Nitter
Show threadwakest likes your bugs ⁂Dec 21, 2022
@sl007 I hadn't seen this tweet that @thunderbird was looking at AP all the way back then
Show threadNanaKimDec 21, 2022
@liaizon Wow.
Show threadtom4okstateDec 21, 2022
@liaizon and that ought to do it. Twitter's done. Only a matter of time.
Show threadSDMike 😷 💉 ✊🏾 🇺🇦 💯Dec 21, 2022
@liaizon
Kind of a big deal!
Show threadquayDec 21, 2022

@liaizon

Flark, yeah!!!!!!

This is great news.

Show threadM8oTheWolfDec 21, 2022
@Teri_Kanefield
Show threadsparseMatrix ✅✅✅ 📻Dec 20, 2022

@liaizon

This is a big deal!

Show threadlampDec 21, 2022
@liaizon OWO
Show threadMike GajdaDec 21, 2022
@liaizon This is such awesome news! Looking forward to seeing Mozilla in the fediverse (though I still won’t switch to Firefox 🤣)
Show threadCJ DouglassDec 21, 2022

@liaizon Cool news!

I've been using Mozilla browsers at least occasionally (though most times as my primary browser) since it was Firebird!

Show threadLynn KellerDec 21, 2022
@liaizon this is great news
Show threadPortsE603Dec 21, 2022
@liaizon wow!
Show threadRage Against LeavesDec 21, 2022
@liaizon
Holy shit #firefox is joining....
Show threadKenneth J. JaegerDec 21, 2022
@liaizon Interesting, considering what I just posted the other day 😏
Show threadSACDec 21, 2022
@liaizon you know #SpaceKaren really did the world a solid by fucking up so hard
Show threadDean Baratta بطبطبطDec 21, 2022
@liaizon
Show threadJohnWDec 21, 2022

@liaizon Ok now this is cool. I'm inspired.

I feel like this is the beginning of a free market society that could eventually challenge capitalism!

Show threadminusavenueDec 21, 2022
@liaizon ... and then start contributing to the code base ... in Rust?
Show threadwandiDec 21, 2022
@liaizon Public trust got flushed down the drain, just like that.
Show thread𐪉𐪚𐪃🇵🇸Dec 21, 2022
@liaizon I actually prefer Akkoma
Show threadReilly ChaseDec 21, 2022
@liaizon @atakane Wow exciting!
Show threadChristian KentDec 21, 2022
@liaizon CSS ... Reader ... reborn! Viva ActivityPub.
Show threadEd RossDec 21, 2022

@liaizon

Interesting. I see Vivaldi have been working on similar integrations:

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/software/new-vivaldi-version-integrates-mastodon-into-the-browser-sidebar/

I wonder how many of the people working on the Mozilla or Vivaldi projects remember Flock:

http://bit.ly/3V9twTy (turns out Mastodon doesn't work well with URLs with closing brackets at the end of them, so had to turn this into a short link)

Or Rockmelt:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockmelt

@denise

New Vivaldi version integrates Mastodon into the browser sidebar

Vivaldi 5.6 was released today with a Mastodon client integrated directly into the browser's sidebar, seamlessly incorporating the rising social media platform in the browser's interface.

BleepingComputer
Show threadnaught101Dec 21, 2022
@liaizon @mozilla