Interested in what people who follow #ukpolitics think of Andrew Bridgen MP? I don’t share his ideology or like his party and have long objected to his views on defunding #BBC - but i think it’s important we have alternative voices interrogating the health policy consensus and, in particular, asking sceptical questions of #Covid vaccine science given the evidence of adverse reactions and poor effectiveness. Is he just a chancer positioning himself to catch a bandwagon or a usefully maverick voice?

@barnes_russell I think debate is one thing, but laypeople with no expertise and big platforms throwing data around out of context are quite another.

I think this presents a good summary: https://fullfact.org/health/andrew-bridgen-vaccine-safety-debate/

I don't know what his true motivations are but given his record I wouldn't give him the benefit of the doubt!

Andrew Bridgen's vaccine debate claims fact checked - Full Fact

The Conservative MP made a number of claims about vaccine safety and effectiveness—we’ve fact checked four of them.

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@ren_dc It’s a tricky area - and interesting that you introduce the terminology of faith with the term ‘laypeople’. The public health bodies like MHRA have had a patchy record during the #Covid19 pandemic and, if an elected MP isn’t free to voice some scepticism, then I would ask who is? The danger is that people cede too much power to centralised ‘experts’ and don’t feel they have the right to ask obvious questions about current levels of unexplained excess mortality, for instance. ‘Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?’, as they say. It’s just a shame (as far as i’m concerned) that it’s just this one rather erratic MP and the Commons was so deserted for the debate.

@barnes_russell The thing is, I know nothing about disease control or vaccines or any of that, so if I was an MP I'd want to be very careful in anything I say.

For example, if I was citing data I would make sure I knew its provenance and where it fitted in the wider picture. I wouldn't try to cherry pick facts to fit my opinion which is what, given his previous activities, I think Bridgen was up to. That, I believe, is mischievous at best and downright dangerous at worst!

@barnes_russell Another example might be a bridge where some survey has shown problems with fractures in some of its supports. Now this might be an isolated and routine problem that is fixable, but imagine if
someone (Bridgen) comes along and makes statements in the house about the potential collapse of all bridges everywhere.

He's seen some data and is sceptical, but he doesn't really know what he's talking about; he's just seen "fracture" and "bridge" and come up with a terrifying picture!

@barnes_russell Bottom line is I trust experts more than an MP on matters of cold hard science. Experts are human and they make mistakes but they have devoted themselves to building checks and balances into their consensus building (scientific method, peer review etc.). I'd contend that it's the best system we have.

BTW, politicians do have an important role to play in using the scientific opinion properly, but again as I said before, they need to be very sure they don't distort the picture.

@ren_dc Good points and I agree with your caution about a populist like Bridgen overselling a line for personal political gain. My sense though is that expert bodies can be prone to inertia, a ‘we know best’ elitism and sometimes even commercial capture. That seemed to be what Bridgen was alleging with Pharma. Overall I suppose I err more towards caution about expertise and how, once an expert consensus forms, it can ossify into a vested interest, and be very hard to dislodge. If, for example and, just playing out a thought experiment, #Covidvaccines, did prove ultimately to be more harmful than helpful for younger people after a long-term risk-benefit analysis but the authorities wanted to hush that up because it’s inconvenient for the narrative or could open a door to compensation for injury, I wonder then whether it does take a character like Bridgen to call it out and say the emperor has no clothes. In a true #democracy, we must have a plurality of voices, however inconvenient their views. The ideal here would be to see politicians we respect look at the evidence independently and hear from experts of different persuasions in a formal inquiry. That would reassure the public who are turning away from the vaccines because of the uncertainty and rumours.

@barnes_russell It's true these bodies can be elitist. However, often their worst "crime" is being overcautious. That's where it's incumbent on politicians to make informed decisions based on all factors (scientific consensus being one)

Consensus is the important word there because there will always be fringe views

Also, I'm always mindful that many alternative experts have shady interests and sponsors. Their work is debunked by peer review but finds a way into the mainstream to scare people!

@ren_dc I salute your faith in our system; I guess I’m just much more sceptical / cynical. My sense is that things aren’t working well, people’s trust in institutions is fracturing and that that process is accelerating. BTW I read this fascinating piece about the shibboleth of peer review and the problems inherent in it. https://t.co/1pNOSRrdNY
The rise and fall of peer review

Why the greatest scientific experiment in history failed, and why that's a great thing

Experimental History

@barnes_russell 😃 I just target my cynicism differently (straight at politicians usually 😂)! I have a science background so I've seen the rigour and standards people apply to themselves and their colleagues.

Thanks for the link, will give it a read!