joop van klooster
Ask Aubry 🦝How books get scanned.
My dumbass always pictured an old librarian with gloves at the copy/scanning machining having to redo it over and over because it scanned crooked.
Benni@Ask_aubry Thank you for sharing. That's really cool
Gwladys Pendlebury@benni @Ask_aubry
I worked for a company digitizing documents and mostly lab books for pharmaceutical companies. It was all done manually. That machine would have been useless.
I worked for a company digitizing documents and mostly lab books for pharmaceutical companies. It was all done manually. That machine would have been useless.
corinne she|her@Ask_aubry I regret to inform you that at most libraries, you will still find a clerk or a technician fighting with a flatbed scanner. 😭 But at least PDF software will straighten it for us! This is super cool, though.
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@corinne @Ask_aubry I was about to say. My daughter isn't "old", but careful handling and doing it over and over is *exactly* what she does.
Stephanie☑️For Real@Ask_aubry
That's what I pictured too! I had no idea!...
That's what I pictured too! I had no idea!...
Desert Dweller 🌵
SherBeareth@Ask_aubry that’s oddly hypnotic.
Aaron Williamson@Ask_aubry @StillIRise1963 I wonder whether it’s using a vacuum or static electricity to suck up the pages 🤔
PhoebeLu@PhoebeLuCo @Ask_aubry @StillIRise1963 looks like vacuum (with adjustable air flow!) https://www.treventus.com/scanner/automatic-book-scanner
Rejin@copiesofcopies some company should put that into production as a book scanner, it would produce some interesting results 😁
@rejinl our robots definitely need more personality if we’re ever going to have the future we dreamed of.
David Birney@Ask_aubry kinda looks like they are tazing that book
Molly in Missouri@Ask_aubry i love the grumpy dog running the machine 
Ron Sullivan@whatzaname @Ask_aubry Now I see that dog. Thanks!
Katie P@Ask_aubry to be fair, what you imagined is still how teachers do it for their classes 🤣
Bethan M. Jenkins@Ask_aubry @acerbicotter in my library, you're actually correct a lot of the time, and that poor librarian is usually me...😬
Amber D (Button Marie)@Ask_aubry that's neat! When I was younger I had a job scanning mammogram films to digital. It was by hand, feeding them through a large machine and manually adjusting orientation while inputting patient details.
(((Jann Gobble)))🏳️🌈@Ask_aubry my dumbass always thought they cut off the binding and fed it into a dual-sided Xerox machine - doing a Image->PDF scan. 😂
Retro Librarian@jann @Ask_aubry in some cases yes . If we don’t longer need to keep the book, and the book is not very valuable. I have absolutely sliced the spines and fed them in. But in most cases absolutely not.
@LibrarianRA @Ask_aubry Thanks for making me feel less dumb. 😳
Tim Greyhavens@Ask_aubry I want one!
Stephen Foskett@Ask_aubry This is an awesome scanner! But I think lots are still scanned by people, considering how many images of their fingers I've seen in my research...
DistrictDave01@Ask_aubry my head can’t wrap itself around how this thing scans both side of the page
@DistrictDave01 @Ask_aubry I think it's pulling in two pages at the same time, so each page gets drawn up twice, first on the right, and then on the left.
🇨🇦 CowMan 🇪🇺 🇺🇦 🇲🇽@Ask_aubry To be fair, sort of did in the early days. Had a neighbour who was a military archivist in the 90s who was using a handheld scanner :)
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Steve Washington@Ask_aubry That’s brilliant! And, yes, I would have thought the same as you on how old books are scanned.
📄 Mehdi.doc@Ask_aubry That old librarian has a very big sticky finger and no saliva
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Tee hee. I'm an old librarian and I remember this.
Tee hee. I'm an old librarian and I remember this.
xs4me2@Ask_aubry
Amazing…
Amazing…
David Hooper@Ask_aubry Back in the day, your description was pretty accurate. We'd cut off the spines and throw everything on a flat-bed scanner to make it easier. Of course, you killed a lot of books that way.
Daniel Carkner🦆@davidhooper @Ask_aubry some of us without access to these fancy machines still do it that way (cutting off the spine and putting the stack on a high-speed scanner that will pull through the pages one at a time and scan both sides). I work in a library that does it that way. Of course we're talking about currently in print books not rare ones.
Susan Ito@Ask_aubry I need one of these
John Overholt@Ask_aubry I work in a rare book library, and our scanning is all on the old librarian model, except it’s mostly a middle-aged digital technician or a student assistant, depending on whether it’s a publication-quality image or higher-volume reference scans, and they don’t wear gloves.
@overholt @Ask_aubry we have one of those fancy bookeye five models. However, I’ve never seen this type of scanning before. And it is completely unacceptable for most rare books.
@LibrarianRA @overholt @Ask_aubry we have a bookeye too, and not one of the ones in the video. Despite this, because of my building's setup, it's usually faster and easier for me to smoosh it on the photocopier-scanner (if it doesn't kill the book, of course)
@gwenynen @overholt @Ask_aubry I understand. We’re currently battling the book eye people over the scanner. I have my doubts it’s gonna turn out to be as valuable as it cost.
@LibrarianRA @overholt @Ask_aubry *whispers* bosses won't shell out for a full licence so we often run up against a scan limit 😬😬😬
@LibrarianRA @overholt @Ask_aubry it is a good deal faster the 90% of the time it works, though, and you don't get RSI the way I do on the copier.
@gwenynen @overholt @Ask_aubry 10 years ago I saw a similar scanner at MIT. I watched a student on rollerblades scan about 10 textbooks in about a half hour. This is all we wanted - instead during the pandemic, we scanned over 1000 textbooks on our photocopier. Now that we have this fancy scanner, I’m not convinced we’re gonna be able to do it any faster than the photocopier, I guess at least now we’ll be able to do rare books.
@LibrarianRA @overholt @Ask_aubry the big win as far as I'm concerned is the foot pedal and having the book face up, able to flip the pages. I've genuinely injured myself turning a heavy book 180° to turn the page, 180° again to scan, rinse and repeat...
MichaelPhillips@overholt @Ask_aubry yeah, my understanding is that clean hands are better than gloves for rare books. Because gloves are much more likely to tear the book
Gabriel Pettier@Ask_aubry oh, systems seems to have improved quite a bit since last i saw such a video, that's a very clever system.
A L Katz@Ask_aubry Does this mean that machine is putting old librarians with gloves out of work?
sandozz@Ask_aubry it looks like a flo-bee giving someone a haircut
Ɲєιƚ Ƃιɍƌ 凤@Ask_aubry I was given to understand that these are very expensive, and prone to trashing books.
Doug Baker - Elbows Up! 🇨🇦@Ask_aubry I love the mix of high tech and plywood chunks.
Óli Gneisti (English)I don't think there are many scanners like this. Since most books that are scanned at libraries are older and therefore delicate it is often a camera taking a top down photo of the pages.
I have used a book scanner with this basic structure but not automatic. I had to manually lift the thing up, turn the page, lower the thing down and press a button for the cameras. It is slow compared to this but it was much faster than other methods.
@oligneisti @Ask_aubry while reducing contact with the page is probably good for it, the disadvantage of the 'flat' approach is that the book has to be fully opened. Old books are often bound in a way that allows for that, but the nice thing about this machine is that the book doesn't have to be fully opened.
Indeed, most books are too delicate to be scanned like this. Books are usually digitized using book scanners like you described. Either on flat table or on a v-shaped table using line scanners or cameras.
@oligneisti @Ask_aubry we are very much the same. We have one of those fancy book eye 5 scanners. There’s a pedal on the floor , you press the button , it takes a picture , you flip the page and it’s fast but not as fast as this. And this type of thing would trash all the rare books. I am intrigued, I’ve never seen this type of model.
DianaRR42@Ask_aubry This is incredibly cool. I figured there was a machine, but I didn't know how it would look while working.
T.Wllmsthat's impressive... I has no idea.... 😲
ltning@Ask_aubry Recommended retail price: 65-75kEUR. I actually thought it would be more .. for the amount of deer-in-headlight that short vid caused :D
Tofu Golem@Ask_aubry
Don't forget step two, which involves not hiring an editor to go over the text and look for errors.
Don't forget step two, which involves not hiring an editor to go over the text and look for errors.
WhilelM@vincib hey connaissais-tu ?
arealibrarian@Ask_aubry gloves is a nope for fragile pages. clean hands only.