Todd Bertussy
Brent ToderianNever forget, electric cars are here to save the car industry, not the planet.
oshy@BrentToderian Extremely true bestie
Verkehrswender@BrentToderian how else do you expect to almost decarbonize road transport?
Dawid@Verkehrswender @BrentToderian Efficient and efective public transport
@dawid @BrentToderian that will definitely require cars where larger vehicles are inadequate
@Verkehrswender any examples?
tiina sarlin 🐘@tiiners @BrentToderian no ambulance, no taxi, no cars where other means are inadequate?
eviloatmeal, resident Death Stranding 2 apologist (arch, btw)@Verkehrswender @BrentToderian Nobody wants "road transport". What kind of freaky cult language is that?
Chris_MS@BrentToderian i don’t know, like i get the point but as EV grow so does other electronic transport vehicles (ie: bikes). It may be saving cars for now but it is also accelerating the move away from them as well.
Keri Ford@BrentToderian We need far fewer cars, but I doubt we'll get rid of them, what cars we do have need to be electric.
Heike Harms
Irena@BrentToderian I know I'm talking to the converted here, but cheap, efficient, and green public transport has to be the goal. Taxis, shuttle buses, even mobility carts available in the (possibly rationed) mix. EVs definitely not the answer to transport issue.
Doug BostromHandled properly (along the lines of old style London cabs) the long tails of frequency and accessibility can be addressed by drivers equipped with EVs, dispatched. Uber the way it should have been done. No short cuts.
We're a very long way from smoothing the path of the long tails, which contain many use cases.
Phil@ORIOliver @BrentToderian they've closed the majority of public transport where I live in the UK. Takes me 2 hours 23 minutes which includes 4 buses and a 22min walk for a journey to my parents which takes 22mins by car. I love my electric car. It was second hand and over 40k miles so is already better for the environment than an ICE vehicle.
Andreas Schweizer@BrentToderian
…and why shouldn’t I never forget?
…and why shouldn’t I never forget?
chemo@BrentToderian true, but it's the only saving of the planet that the car industry allows us to have, so we should be thankful
uncannyvallie@BrentToderian honestly I've been doubting how effective they are. Besides the power source, the growing demand for lithium is also a concern.
Phil Henley@BrentToderian no. Depends on source of electricity. No one says they are the answer to that so they are separate issues.
Wolf (Octodad) 🐙@BrentToderian disagree. The car industry does not need saving. The car industry is not in crisis. If the car industry were rapidly losing market share to public transport, walkable urban spaces and cycling then you would be correct, but it's not. EVs are primarily about reducing pollution. Yes, reducing cars would be better but that's not on the cards.
ZZ Bottom
Sérgio Machado@BrentToderian +/- electric batteries cars have an optimization of 80% compared to gasoline/diesel engines that only use 14% and the rest is pure waste, that’s a major improvement …
Although the problem is that we use to drive car just alone …
We need more power optimization.
How it’s possible a potato harvest power and we keep looping in batteries technology…
Although the problem is that we use to drive car just alone …
We need more power optimization.
How it’s possible a potato harvest power and we keep looping in batteries technology…
The Spoonless Kitchen@BrentToderian Hm. This is true, but the Russian/Chinese/Iranian/Saudi propagandists are flooding the zone with exactly the same rhetoric, only in support of fossil fuels.
Tess 
Sininen@BrentToderian that's what I often say: The planet will be fine, and life will continue. Humans destroy their habitat for profit.
Pelin Tektaş
Gold@BrentToderian I think you're presenting that as a false dichotomy. They can do both. If saving the car industry has the side effect of contributing to saving the planet I'm fine with that.
Michael@BrentToderian less Cars - more Human Moved vehicles - of Cars, much higher utilisation- if EVs, than batteries w/o Lithium Etc. Only sustainable Bats or green H2 … In the end: less human beings per planet
TransitBiker@BrentToderian what’s the German word for greenwashing? VW can use that.
dawnatella@BrentToderian or maybe... just hear me out... they're here to meet the demand people currently have to wander at their leisure in their own vehicle by using clean energy thereby reducing emissions asap... since it would take a lot longer (if it's even possible) to roll back the effects of the industrial revolution and convince everyone to walk or bike where they currently drive. or to convince them to stop procreating. or stop living longer. you know, a compromise on the way to utopia?
😀🚲@dawnatella @BrentToderian "convince everyone to walk or bike where they currently drive [past miles of government-mandated parking lots, stuck in car traffic with everyone else who was not convinced to elbow their way into 45mph stroad traffic on a bike, even if their trip is 3 miles and cars are averaging 15mph or less once they stop at all the red lights]"
jelco@BrentToderian that is a statement that sounds pretty intellectual, but it is bullshit. Are you suggesting car companies going bankrupt will solve anything? We just keep on driving the old models and keep the oil and gas companies laughing their pants off.
The Air WhispererThat depends on WHO is in charge of their design and application.
If they're DESIGNED to help the transition from 'too much travel' to 'appropriate travel', then they can do that.
But if it's a pro/anti FIGHT, then the major LOSER will be the planet that sustains us all...
Rik 
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@Pneumofoils @BrentToderian I see a picture of the 200.000 euro Lightyear of which maybe a 1000 will be build, in the same factory where the #Sion might not be build. That could be a affordable solar EV for the masses, but they are fighting for survival with a crowd funding campaign to make it to production. #SaveSion
This is new industry, a new company, with a new vision on mobility. We need more bikes, more affordable public transport and we need the #Sion too.
https://sonomotors.com/
This is new industry, a new company, with a new vision on mobility. We need more bikes, more affordable public transport and we need the #Sion too.
https://sonomotors.com/
You make a good point
- useful electric cars are STRUGGLING in the face of a powerful lobby offering 'more conventional' technology that won't help to solve the problem.
But I remember the 1980s, when Wind was an obvious answer
(and in the UK, Wave even more so...)
but Nuclear was getting all the attention (and 97% of the Fossil Fuel Levy funding for new tech development...).
The development didn't take 4 decades to get where we are now
- but the STRUGGLE did...!
MagDock™︎
MagDock™︎ (@[email protected])
Attached: 1 image @[email protected] We offer a #perk to support #sonomotors campaign: give away 175 #micromobility sets at completion of #savesion to 50+% down payers. No-winners receive a 35% discount. Idea: to be at least micro-mobile until Sion is delivered! SET = foldable scooter 🛴 + MagDock™︎ wireless⚡️docking station: all-concrete 0.2 kW charger powered by magnetizable concrete from recycled materials for a seamless charging experience by @magment.
Jennifer Tran@BrentToderian well that explains why they are so inaccessible. They are priced way too high to be affordable for most people.
Bulentin0en1@BrentToderian why not both?
AngryPlantain@BrentToderian
The planet will be fine once we're gone.
The planet will be fine once we're gone.
David CB@BrentToderian I get it, cars are the enemy, but why single out EVs? They are better carbon-wise and there wil always be people who need a vehicle that can carry more/farther than a cargo bike
PatternChaser@BrentToderian What about hybrid cars? All the advantages of electric ... and you can still burn fossil fuels to endanger the planet! 🤬
Katrinka@BrentToderian
Few choose to widen the angle of their vision on EVs.
And few ev (e-everything) proponents promote changing how we live on earth. Tiny example: electric clothes dryers = around 6% of household electric use. Not necessary for most of us.
Pls look at he big picture:
https://vtdigger.org/2022/12/12/alison-despathy-blood-elements-blood-power-and-blood-money/
Few choose to widen the angle of their vision on EVs.
And few ev (e-everything) proponents promote changing how we live on earth. Tiny example: electric clothes dryers = around 6% of household electric use. Not necessary for most of us.
Pls look at he big picture:
https://vtdigger.org/2022/12/12/alison-despathy-blood-elements-blood-power-and-blood-money/
Alison Despathy: Blood elements, blood power and blood money
Until fundamental human rights, communities and ecosystems are protected and children are not forced to suffer a life in a mine, we have no business promoting or “gently coercing” these policies for fake climate justice in Vermont.
shyduroff
ex or current IDF unwelcome@BrentToderian Living in the country I have no alternative to a car. The 2 buses a day don’t go where I need to go and if nobody on the route had a car they still wouldn’t be viable. So lesser of 2 evils is an electric car unless some rich people subsidise rural transport.
Kudra 
@BrentToderian I have been a user of electric bikes since well before it was trendy (ebikeblog.org) but I currently live a life which does require a bigger vehicle and I opted for a second hand import EV minivan from Japan. I also carshare, and plan to lobby for public transport to where I now live (as it stands is a half hour taxi ride on country roads, which costs about $80 one way.) as I do believe it would be utilised enough by local residents to be feasible.
Electric vehicles are part of the transition and most people I know who have them or are thinking about one are also big on bikes and PT.
Dwight Williams (💉 x9)+😷🇨🇦@BrentToderian It's still hoped that they'll be useful to humanity despite that flaw.
AdevElectrical car will help to save the planet and greatly improve life quality by reducing both Co2 emission and toxic polluants from our urban area. Period.
The rest is intellectually dishonesty and gross misinformation feom people that can not accept public transport and bicycle are not a solution for all.